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I just assume any of those companies would steal my work and wouldn't care about it.

Everything they have done so far indicates this.

Running your own is the only option unless you really trust them or unless you have the option to sue them like some big companies can.

Or if you don't really care then you can use the chineese one since it is cheaper.

What makes you trust Anthropic more than Alibaba?

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There’s a difference between stealing for model training and direct monitoring of actionable trade secrets and corporate espionage. Anthropic and OpenAI wouldn’t do this simply because they would be litigated out of existence and criminally investigated if they did. In China it’s an expected part of the corporate and legal structure with virtually no recourse for a foreign firm and when it’s in states interest domestic either. I’m surprised you don’t realize the US has fairly strong civil, criminal, and regulatory protections in place for theft of actionable material and reuse of corporate and trade secrets, let alone copyright materials. I assure you their ToS also do not allow them to do this and that in itself is a contractual obligation you can enforce and win in court.

Anthropic already admitted to heavily monitoring user requests to protect against distillation. They have everything in place, turning on learning from user data would literally be just a couple lines of code at this point. Anyone trusting them not to do it is a fool.

Absolutely. Plus as these companies become hungrier for revenue and to get out of the commodity market they are in, they are only going to get more aggressive in their (ab)use of customer data.

How exactly do you propose that a local weights model that I can run without an internet connection is going to exfiltrate my trade secrets to the Chinese government?

If you read I’m talking about their service only models.

Why? No one else was. The discussion was about OpenAI / Anthropic's lack of moat when there are open weights models that are almost as good. You can host them anywhere you like. Pay a US company to do so if you want.

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