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Actually the IDF did that.

On the flip side you've either been propagandized to find the slaughter of civilians acceptable ("they were warned!", "they sympathize anyway", etc, etc) or you're doing the propagandizing yourself. Maybe towards yourself, so that you can continue to believe that your defense of said genocide is the right thing.

I mean the share of civilians killed in the war (by Israel) is over 80 percent of the total casualties. That is worse than the rate in WW2. In Ukraine it's under 5%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

I deplore current Israeli policies, but Ukraine isn't disguising its war fighters as civilians like Hamas is, which is an important qualifier to your numbers.

But Russia is doing exactly that systematically for years now, disguising as civilians. I'm also pretty sure Hamas isn't disguising themselves as children, who make up the largest share of the civilian victims.

> I'm also pretty sure Hamas isn't disguising themselves as children, who make up the largest share of the civilian victims.

Even the very slanted wikipedia article doesn't claim such a crazy thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

They do claim everyone under the age of 18 to be a "child", which I know is the UN definition, but is pretty absurd in this situation with Hamas fighters of 15, 16, and 17 years of age being very common.

Someone said that Russia has conducted its invasion in a way as to keep civilian casualties to only 5% of Ukrainian casualties. In evaluating that number, it is relevant that Russia's task is made easier by Ukraine's adherence to the widely accepted principle that a war fighter should wear the uniform of the side he is fighting for.

In contrast, for the purposes of this thread, it is irrelevant that "Russia is doing exactly that systematically for years now, disguising as civilians" (to quote you).

This isn't a contest to see how many negative things we can say about the Russians or the Israelis. Or at least that is not a coversation I would be interested in.

I think Israel's actions since Oct 2023 have been deplorable and disgusting. But that doesn't mean I am interested in no nuance at all in discussing how deplorable and disgusting.

I don't see how that's relevant, nor why such a distinction matters in such an asymmetric conflict where international law clearly allows for violent resistance to occupation.

School children aren’t “disguised Hamas”.

They can be. Plenty of 16-olds still in school and also a member of Hamas of Islamic Jihad outside school hours.

Every Zionist in Palestine is a valid target. They’re on stolen land.

Ok, so now you just actually called for genocide. And by that logic all US citizens that are not Native Americans are valid targets in another genocide. Of course, since the UK has been re-invaded many times, all UK citizens are now valid targets for genocide. The palestinian arabs were also invaders according to this logic, so also valid targets for your proposed genocide. Etc. etc. You're calling for genocide of everyone.

Right, it's not constrained to Gaza. The genocide against Palestinian people is occurring across the nation of Israel.

Palestinian muslim arabs are 20% of Israels population. Remind me how many percent of Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, are Jewish?

This is the worst genocide ever. They even have representation in Knesset. They serve in the IDF.

I can tell you are unable to approach this topic rationally.

No one made the claim this is the worse genocide ever. It does not need to rise to that bar to be a genocide. Your hyperbole is not a good faith effort to discuss the topic. And the whataboutism is a deflection. Genocide is bad everywhere it's occurring. Right now it's occurring in many places, one of which is within Israel/Palestine. If you believe it's also happening elsewhere, we should condemn those as well, not absolve the actions of Netanyahu.

> Your hyperbole is not a good faith effort to discuss the topic

I mean.. I think the same about your continued use of the word "genocide" in this war. Israel is fighting a war with human shields being explicitly used basically 100% of the time. Hamas fires missiles from inside refugee camps, and shooting AKs from behind children. Hamas is committing a war crime almost every time they attack at all.

They built a tunnel system that could house their entire civilian population, but if a civilian tried to take shelter Hamas shoots them. Civilian casualties was always the goal for Hamas, because the west is predictably fooled by it.

Israel has deployed more explosive munitions by tonnage on the Gaza Strip than were deployed in the entirety of world war 2. In an area smaller than Seattle, with four times the density of civilians and a huge proportion of children.

They've deployed white phosphorous. There are IDF soldiers on record saying they've shot children waiting in line for aid, because they drifted inches over the "do not step past this line" mark. Sde Teiman is a torture camp.

Hamas is evil, but you can fight evil without those things. I condemn Hamas, but "they did a war crime" is not a justification for total violence of any type as retribution.

And what about tolerance of settlers in the West Bank? The removal of journalists? The killing of aid workers? It's not just the Gaza Strip (though what's there is truly beyond the pale.)

> Israel has deployed more explosive munitions by tonnage on the Gaza Strip than were deployed in the entirety of world war 2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St...

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/56193/what-was-t...

0.7 kilotons vs 3000 kilotons. You're off by 4 orders of magnitude. That's pretty bad, even Hamas doesn't lie that badly.

I was wrong. Let me fix that. (Edit: I cannot edit it now.) I misread that statistic and I was incorrect. That said, 70,000 tonnes is 70 kilotonnes, not 0.7. You are correct, 70 kilotonnes is smaller than 3,000.

70 kilotonnes is roughly twice the tonnage of the nukes dropped on Japan, or roughly equal to the tonnage dropped by Germany on the UK (including during the Blitz and V2 rocket payloads).

Yea, makes sense doesn't it? Israel is fighting an almost completely subterranean enemy. Comparing tonnage to a war where the enemy was above ground is silly.

Palestinians,Lebanese and Iranians (of all religions) represent 100% of the victims of Israel’s genocide.

Isn't that a good thing? Compared to Hamas who murders its own citizens and random christians who are out dancing?

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