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You're using the term "terrorist" to describe people indigenous to the land that Israel stole. If you use logic, that makes Israel that terrorist group since they used violence to kick Palestinians out of their land and homes, not the other way around.

Lookup the Jewish terrorist groups Irgu, Lehi, and Haganah. Lookup the assassination of Lord Moyne by Lehi and the 1946 Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel. The leaders of these terrorist groups eventually became Prime Ministers of Israel.

While you're at it, lookup the attack by the Israeli military on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans.

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Hezbollah isn't in Israel, so any argument about what happened in Israel is irrelevant. And by far the primary cause of Palestinians leaving was Arab countries telling them to get out of the way of the coming invasion. And, well, when you refuse to agree to lay down arms is it really surprising you're not allowed back in?

King David Hotel? You mean British military HQ? Who received and ignored the warning about the bomb?

USS Liberty--ever consider how hard it is to identify ships from the air in a combat situation? Israel knew the ship claimed to be American, but they thought that was a ruse.

> Hezbollah isn't in Israel, so any argument about what happened in Israel is irrelevant

Respectfully, it is relevant, as explained. Historical context matters.

> And by far the primary cause of Palestinians leaving was Arab countries telling them to get out of the way of the coming invasion.

Excepting, as in this case, where someone makes up a historical narrative with a handwave.

I was gonna research your points until I saw what you said about the USS liberty and figured that your earlier points are just as biased.

> USS Liberty--ever consider how hard it is to identify ships from the air in a combat situation? Israel knew the ship claimed to be American, but they thought that was a ruse.

Everybody outside of the IDF PR department has accepted that Israel deliberately targeted USS Liberty.

The “misidentification” story was utterly unbelievable at the time, and remains so now. There are endless statements from top US national security officials directly calling the Israelis liars.

What is interesting is how governments and controlled media flip and reverse terms (in a 1984 kind of way), along with avoiding accountability, to suit their purposes. Even when it is very obvious that actions are morally wrong, war crimes, or even genocide.

It's got to the point where it's like someone outrageously punching you in the face, then pretending they didn't or were the victims, when there is a response.

Exactly. As Bassem Youssef once put it: "Palestine is like a fish bowl. It's a lot of fish, it's condensed. Israel is like the person over that bowl, crashing the bowl, killing the fish, taking any fish they want. ...[talks about how Israel takes Palestinan hostages all the time]... At a certain point, Israel is just hovering over that fish bowl. At some moment, a fish, crazy enough, suicidal enough, will jump from the bowl, through the air, bite the pinkie of Israel. And Israel would be like: Oh my god! That bitch bit my pinkie and my hand was not even in the bowl."

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/na2hwj4vB_A

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