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So they were weaponizing immigration law to deport pro-pali students? Care to back your feelings up with some facts?

Not that far off from the truth. A number of college students who were protesting for Palestine had their college enrollment suspended, and lost their visas, effectively being deported. Which, yes, the university made that decision, but it didn't come without influence from the government.

Which universities?

With such a small sample size, you have a whole lot of confidence saying "well, the Dems encouraged them".

Democrats have so far not been led by the nose into bombing Iran and fucking up the global economy so I’m not sure how one can keep saying that with a straight face.

Both sides of Congress passed emergency weapons funding for Israel at the start of this war. Even if some Democrats are scoring political points complaining about it since it's during Trump's term and the war has become a stalemate, they're on board at the end of the day, like they were with Iraq (as some forget) before things unraveled. And during Biden's term, it was Gaza instead.

It's pretty pathetic when the best argument you can make is a whataboutism that isn't even equivalent.

If "led by the nose into bombing Iran" isn't being "owned by Israel," what is?

It totally is. Democrats got led into Israel's wars too. Interestingly the support was different, like Trump got money from the Adelsons and Biden from pro-Israel lobbies.

> Democrats got led into Israel's wars too.

Which ones?

Have people already forgot about Gaza?

The US was involved in Gaza? The United States was actively spending billions dropping munitions there? When? Under which administration was the US directly involved in bombing Gaza?

Can you further clarify how the US was involved in the war in Gaza, and how that was the Democrats getting involved? And do you really feel that involvement was anywhere near what is happening or comparable with Iran at the moment?

Obama's drone campaigns, although that's less a war and more just global terrorism.

Syria, Gaza, and even Iran.

Parent comment isn't a whataboutism, if anything my comment could be seen as that. My point isn't to defend Trump's actions, only to call out that this is a scarier problem than it gets credit for when someone just blames MAGA. We're dealing with a two-front assault here, and they want you to think it's just the other party you don't like.

My comment was trying to emphasize the parent's point, I was referring to the grandparent as whataboutism. It was a tad unclear.

I wish america would stop sending money to israel, for a bunch of reasons. That desire is most likely to be realized by a strong democrat majority.

We've had a Democrat majority plenty of times in the past several decades, including under Biden, and they continued the unconditional support. When congresswoman Omar called out AIPAC's influence, nearly every other Dem joined in on a written condemnation. If anything they're just less blatant than Republicans about this, also some pro-Israel groups have a niche with one party or the other.

What facts would you point to, to argue that the Democratic party is "owned by Israel" more than the Republican party?

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind... is one

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