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Do you not read the news? Israel was bombing Lebanon DAILY and occupying parts of southern Lebanon throughout the so called ceasefire. All without Hezbollah firing a single shot in retalliation until Israel and the US attacked Iran DURING NEGOTIATIONS!

If it wasn't for Israel's dogged expansionism, Hezballah would never have been created, Hamas would never have been created and Palestine would still be a liberal democracy.

Hamas was created with Israel support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

"...In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state..."

>Palestine would still be a liberal democracy

When was Palestine a liberal democracy?

Their brief democratic period was inconvenient to Israel, which is why when Netanyahu decided to fund Hamas, he first said that Hamas is important to keep Palestine divided.

Man, Hezbollah was, literally, created as an answer to Israel attacks.

> Without attacks from Hezballah and other Iranian backed groups Isreal would not have attacked targets in Lebanon

Israel also bombed southern Syria, to "protect the druze community". Syria has not attacked Israel, there are some random terrorist groups who did, but they attacked Israels' occupying forces in Syria.

Syria tried to genocide the druze. Out in public - and the international community just didn't give a damn. Israel was the only faction to defend minorities against the facist, islamo-supremacist hordes of the current syrian government.

israel is actually genociding Palestinians, so this excuse is pretty laughable. Especially since israel is claiming control over the land, just like they invade Lebanon "for defense", just like they invade Gaza "for defense", and now they attack Iran "for defense".

Wake up: pretty much nobody believes the fascist, judeo-supremacist hordes of the current israeli government.

nobody in your echo chamber you mean?

Of course not, why would I mean that?

Are you sure you aren't in one of your own? Look to UNGA resolutions to see what it looks like outside the chamber.

Forward-defending by making a million people homeless and taking 13% of the country.

I think that expelling all shia muslims from the recently conquered territory is a bit more than defending oneself.

It is. Actions go beyond what is minimally necessary to ensure security but without attacks from Hezbollah there would be no military actions in Lebanon. Israel doesn't attack Jordan or Egypt because they don't host Iranian backed militants who do attack. Lebanon will be in the same position if Hezbollah will be gone (which is not given).

> without attacks from Hezbollah there would be no military actions in Lebanon.

Without attacks from israel, there would be no response from Lebanon, Palestine, Iran, etc.

It's clear that israel is an attacker here, and Iran, Palestine, and Lebanon are defending. Without attacks from israel and other israel backed groups, iran would not have attacked targets in israel. Even the most recent escalation started with israel (and the USA) attacking Iran a few weeks ago, not the other way around.

Your take seems to hinge on holding an unfounded bayesian prior that israel is "the good guy" and therefore everything they do must be "defending". The world does not share this unfounded bayesian prior of yours, and thus remains unconvinced of the resulting conclusions drawn by israel and yourself. You will have to do a better job of convincing others, rather than simply asserting your opinions at them.

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