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When I think of places where phones aren't a problem, I think of bars and restaurants.

So why on earth would you even need to make them phone-free...?

People are socializing plenty. I've never walked into a bar or restaurant that's full of people where they're all on their phones. It doesn't even make sense.

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Some bars have nearly every customer on a phone. Not an issue in restaurants though.

Really? I see this all the time. Maybe I'm going to all the wrong places. I see "couples" on their phones, I see groups of friends on their phones, etc., etc. Maybe different parts of the country / world?

I don't see the problem; when you're out drinking with buddies, sometimes you're talking and sometimes staring at the sportsball TV in contemplative silence. Or a phone instead of the TV, it serves the same role. It doesn't have to be talk all the time. Somebody who's not talking now might have been talking a minute ago, and will be again in a few minutes.

If you're all staring at the TV, you can at least share your thoughts on the thing you're all watching together. If you're all staring at your phones, your minds are in different places. It doesn't serve the same role at all.

I'm in New York City. I do not see this.

I see single people use their phone while they wait for their date/friends to arrive. Or while their date uses the restroom.

I see groups of friends where one person is temporarily texting because the babysitter reached out, or a friend is asking where they are, etc.

Going to restaurants and bars is expensive. People aren't going out to use their phones.

NYC here too, I'm not sure where you're going but go to any sports or Irish bar and >50% of the people there will be on their phone, especially when they're solo. I do wish I could read a book, but so many bars keep it so dark even in the daytime that it's impossible these days.

People go out by themselves all the time (I'm single, WFH and live by myself, if I didn't go out by myself I would literally leave the house only once or twice a week).

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