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"Israel's defence minister has said a buffer zone will be set up inside southern Lebanon and that Israel will keep security control over a swathe of the territory even after the end of the current war against the armed group Hezbollah."

Src》https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yx8knpr5no

"JERUSALEM, March 31 (Reuters) - Israel will destroy all homes in Lebanese villages near the border and 600,000 people who fled the south will not be allowed home until northern Israel is secure, the defence minister said on Tuesday, vowing to inflict Gaza-like destruction in the area. Israel Katz reiterated Israeli plans to establish a buffer zone in southern Lebanon, saying that it would maintain control over a swathe of territory up to the Litani River once the war with the Iran-backed Hezbollah group ended."

Src》https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-destroy-all...

I wish it wasn't like this but there's no point in not facing reality

Does Iranian militants mean every local Shiite that Israel is now expelling?

Israel is instructing civilians to leave the areas where there is fighting as is their responsibility under international law. When Hezbollah is disarmed by Lebanon and the war is over they can return.

Do people keep falling for these arguments after all the times it hasn't been the case?

It's been the case in all the previous wars fought in Lebanon.

The question is why do people keep falling for the arguments against Israel when clearly Israel was attacked from Lebanon, is not attacking any neighbor that does not attack it, and is responding just like any other normal country would when it is attacked.

> Israel … is not attacking any neighbor that does not attack it

Incorrect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_attack_on_Doha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_airstrike_on_the_Irani...

I think you might be the one falling for propaganda, my friend. Hamas is evil. Hezbollah is evil. Their behavior is indefensible.

Responding by leveling the homes of millions of civilians, holding people in an open air prison. Limiting food, water, and medicine, killing journalists, building an apartheid state, systematically using rape as a means of controlling prisoners, deploying white phosphorus on civilian populations.... these are not just or reasonable responses.

Israel's actions are truly horrifying in scale. The violence aimed at civilians, the systemic abuse of people just trying to survive on subsistence.

I'm not falling for any arguments. I'm simply observing what Israel is doing and saying, "this is truly awful. The scale of misery they are deploying against their enemies is unconscionable."

This time the tone is different in Lebanon. The things they say point to an occupation of the south and that shia are not gonna be welcome back any time soon.

I live in Washington DC area, I am cool not to leave?

The Pentagon e.g. would be a legitimate target for Iran and if in their operations against the US they know that your neighborhood is a military target then they can and should warn you and allow you to leave. I doubt that the US military stores rockets in your basement but if they are then that would be a concern. That said if you were in range of Iran's rockets I don't think they'd worry much about e.g. firing cluster munitions on Washington DC like they do on Tel Aviv or Israeli cities.

oh I’m not worried about Iran :)

How did that work out for the Palestinians?

Has Hamas disarmed yet?

Your policy is unlimited violence against civilians? You realize how ghoulish that is, right?

Just like Gaza right? Oh wait...

Keep on blaming the victims, as if you would have any say the day armed and organized militias would come into your neighborhood to do the same.

The person you are replying to is probably someone who won't understand that the genocide Israel is perpetrating, the settler colonialism, the systemic abuses and torture and rape of prisoners, the invasion are all justified somehow.

Some people cannot take a step back and consider other perspectives, unfortunately.

Edit: see? Their response, "I like it"? This person is deeply troubled and misanthropic.

Israel isn't colonizing Lebanon or abusing and torturing Lebanese. But Lebanon certainly abuses prisoners: https://www.hrw.org/report/2013/06/26/its-part-job/ill-treat...

So by your logic it is fair game to attack Lebanon due to its treatment of prisoners?

Lebanon also commits war crimes by firing rockets indiscriminately into Israeli population centers.

Why is your rage so selective?

> Israel isn’t … abusing and torturing Lebanese.

Israeli-backed army ran a torture center in south Lebanon for years.

https://www.hrw.org/news/1999/10/27/israel-responsible-abuse...

Given the level of bloodthirst in Israeli society currently, and the accounts of torture of Palestinians in Israeli custody, I’m afraid that something similar is just around the corner for Lebanese as well.

This was from 1999 and it was run by the SLA who were Lebanese. But yes, it was not great and guess what, Israel withdrew from South Lebanon in 2000!

But Lebanon and other Arab countries still routines arbitrarily imprison and torture their citizens.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/06/26/lebanon-enforce-anti-tor...

Have any of these countries poisoned Israel's farms from the air?

I didn't say this was all happening in Lebanon. The West Bank, Gaza, prisons across Israel. And now, an invasion and razing civilian lives in Lebanon.

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