Does that blog post have a glowing smiley face with "A BUNCH OF N***ERS" written in on it in pixelated text?
Would think twice about linking that one in polite company.
Would think twice about linking that one in polite company.
The term "glowy" has taken on a life of its own despite the original context. The image itself is from it's 4chan days. Probably poor taste to include a version with Terry's full quote.
But I can certainly squint at other people when they spread Terry's quotes and memes.
Someone can use language you disagree with but still have a point if you dig past it. I also happen to personally think it's important to engage with this sort of thinker at least sometimes
Insisting on polite, formal language can be a type of bigotry too you know. It's historically pretty classist, and lately also indicates a sort of neuronormative bigotry.
Idk, some food for thought
No it's not, it's enforcing the norms of civil discourse. If they have some kind of actual underlying issue that causes this and it's legit beyond their control - then sure, go the extra mile and try to meet them where they are.
If on the other hand, it's some annoying person who likes ruffling feathers on purpose - I really think they ought to be ostracized for such behaviour.
Short of something like the recent event with the chap with Tourette's saying awful things at the BAFTA awards, or Terry Davis with schizophrenia saying outlandish stuff, there aren't many scenarios where I'd be willing to give someone a pass on this.
If you have the ability to choose not to use the n-word, and you're not in a group that can use it self-referentially among your peers, and you use it anyway, then you're an asshole and I don't really care to hear what else you have to say. I feel pretty OK with that blanket assessment.
"There are some scenarios where you might want to give people a pass for reasons outside their control" is literally the only point I was trying to make
So I guess we are in violent agreement?
Edit: also, you will never actually discover which people you should give the benefit of the doubt if you categorically dismiss anyone who uses language you dislike
You don't see how that is exclusionary to people who struggle with norms?
I guess if you're born neurodivergent and can't handle social norms, you don't deserve any kind of grace. You can't ever contribute anything worthwhile or meaningful if you don't live up to all of society's polite norms. Good to know
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I used to go to Japan, quite often, and watched Americans violating societal norms, all the time. The Japanese were usually fairly good at not lashing back, but I could see them visibly restraining themselves, sometimes. Over the course of about a decade, I learned to at least respect their ways. I found the Germans to be less accepting of annoying Americans (and I was one). I learned a lot quicker, there.
I know that many folks think that self-diagnosing as "on the spectrum" is considered some kind of "get out of jail asshole" card, but that's just an urban myth. If you're an asshole, you'll usually be treated like one; no matter the reason.
This mirrors my experience too. I think my bitterness about that is on full display in this thread
In my experience, it's been worth it.
Growing up overseas, in many different cultures, I think, has helped me with this.
I wish you luck.
Or someone bipolar who gets kind of erratic and can say really out of character stuff when they are going through a manic episode?
Or someone with tourettes that might say something that pops in their head unexpectedly?
Sure thing about ADHD. You're right that people with the executive function disorder don't tend to blurt wild social faux pas. But there are also people with social function disorders who might.
It doesn't necessarily mean they are terrible people
I'd already explicitly excluded people with Tourette's and other major challenges, but you knew that, so now I presume you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Have a nice day.
Like seriously.
> This is an insultingly narrow definition of "neurodivergent"?
No! I'm trying to define it as a broader scope of behaviors than just "my friends with ADHD" like you did!
What a frustrating interaction. I hope you're pleased with yourself
Does your neuro-divergence also make it hard to read the exact point that I made, or are you just trying to be difficult?
No. There's a huge, eye-wateringly vast gap between impolite, informal language and racial slurs. I happen to personally think it's completely unimportant to engage with someone actively calling someone else the n-word.
That's not classist, and in no way neuronormative bigotry, unless we're classifying racism and generalized bastardry as a mental illness.
I'm neurodivergent (diagnosed) and under the care of two mental health professionals and I'll just say I don't have tolerance for people using slurs.
As much as I appreciated the point being made in that article, once someone pointed out the image and I went and read it, I won't ever choose to share it with anyone because that image is discrediting. The writing had the intended effect on me and at the same time I'd be ashamed to link to it.
Yes, I'm a bigot against bigotry. It's unacceptable.
The whole thing reeks of 14 year old turned 38 year old smelly edgelord nonsense, not something I would post, that's for sure.
The corpus of work on this exact topic is so vast, and so overwhelmingly bereft of distracting racial slurs, that I think we can safely discard this contribution.