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These flowers smell like shit.

If you don't use Linux or MacOS yet, why?

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I use a blend of Windows, MacOS, iOS and Linux.

Each is good at its own thing. I don't understand the game of picking exactly one hill to die on.

I spend about 60% of my time on Apple operating systems, and 40% elsewhere. Windows really does suck from a UX perspective, but if you are trying to make money doing things professionally with a computer, it's hard to beat. Running outlook and office on Mac just doesn't hit the same way.

I agree completely about each being good for its own thing. I quite like iOS as a phone OS. The limitations often bother me, but since it's tiny screen that needs to fit in my pocket, I'm creating my own limitations anyway so I'll use it less (1).

I switch around enough that I try not to do crazy amounts of personalisation in my desktop OS. Probably this evens out the OSs and there are aspects I like and dislike about each. I guess I prefer KDE Plasma to Windows or MacOS. I choose that for my own computer, but I spend far more time in Windows. I'm not sure I agree it it much worse from a UX perspective. It allows keyboard only usage very easily, which is something I struggled with in MacOS.

1) I'm only focusing on the UI - there are some things I struggle to forgive, like not being able to set add my own ringtone or alarm tone, or not being able to have the volume of a ringtone increase as the phone rings like on every ancient feature phone.

I've given this a little more thought, and I agree more with "Windows really does suck from a UX perspective" then I was thinking when I wrote my comment.

I really should have included the recent escalation in hostility towards users in my thoughts - built in ads, pushing unwanted products, trash news in new tab pages etc.

I used linux on Desktop 15 years ago, tried it once in a while every few years. But there was always something. Often video driver, tearing, hardware video decoding, or a specific game that I played a lot. And now it would be that my DJ software does not run on it.

Still use it on my server though.

I might try a MacBook air at some point, but they are quite expensive when you need 1TB disk for your music files. But for now my ThinkPad T14 Gen1 still runs fine. I don't need more battery or power. No fan could be cool.

The last time I tried to use Linux, I said "fuck this" when I had to open up a text editor for something so basic as making a shortcut with command line arguments. This is the easiest menu in the world on Windows, but it took me looking up a bunch of things to get it to not work on Linux.

The real crime, by a lot, it middle click. I did not realize how often I use middle click scroll until I switched to Linux and it didn't work anymore.

So you switched something as fundamental as the OS, and were pissed that it was … different?

You can fault Linux as the primary desktop environment for a few things, but that it’s different to MS is not one of those.

Do you also rant about having no windows key on a MacBook?

Yeah, it's kind of annoying. But middle click scroll is something I use literally every single second of every single day on my web browser. It's a deal-breaker.

Ok that's fair ig. I used to be a fairly heavy user of the middle click scroll feature on windows like a decade ago. Made the switch to Debian w/ Awesome, and that habit just casually fell away. The switch is probably a 3 day annoyance at most. IMO arrow keys and scroll are fine. On laptop trackpads two finger scrolling and momentum scrolling are far more accurate IMO. Also if you have the mx master mouse, it has a crazy good scroll wheel that you can "throw".

Also you can turn on Firefox specific middle click scroll feature "autoscroll" which is the same thing. They may have similar stuff for other browsers. Long story short, in less clicks than it takes you to turn off stupid notifications and ads on Windows, you can get a semi decent middle-click-scroll feature where you need it the most.

macOS sucks! you need a ton of third party tools and customizations to make it sane for basic things like window management. It's no better than Windows with regards of ammount of tweaking needed for power users.

And it scans every executable and command run and sends a hash to motherbase. I don't know how people put up with this. There's probably some dangerous way to disable that like, let me guess, disabling SIP...

And it sucks at gaming.

Linux on the other hand is great for power users!

I've installed linux (debian LTS with XFCE) on my mom's computer and she recently called me to thank me. She says her computer is much quieter now (meaning fewer notifications). She only needs a web browser and a text editor.

So you're right, it's great for power users, it's also great for other users.

I fucking love XFCE! And have more than a decade of mileage with it.

right? windows 98 ergonomics (that's NOT sarcasm) with more customisation and not trying to re-invent the wheel every month.

I'm a gnome user myself, I do enjoy the year on year refinement they have going there, but I completely understand and respect the XFCE crowd.

Window management: only if you are the kind of power user who needs complex layout. I have used Windows for decades and have used Mac on and off, and have even bought one of those window management app on MacOS, but never needed to use them. In rare occasions where I need several windows open, side-by-side on each of dual screens is usually good enough, if not I probably am working in a terminal where I use tmux.

Gaming: that's a fact but again doesn't matter to most people. Most people play video games on phones/tablets/consoles if they play games at all. PC gaming is a relative minority, and (regular) Windows laptops can only do lightweight gaming anyway. The amount of people who decides what "everyday computer" they should buy based on whether they are going to play games on it is very small. Plus, you get much better ROI by buying a PS5+Macbook Air than spending the same amount of money on a gaming laptop.

you need a ton of third party tools to make it behave like Windows, that's what you mean.

I'm perfectly happy with my "vanilla" macbook. Runs Baldurs Gate 3 and my final fantasy ps2 emulator just fine, and even trackmania was quite easy to get installed and runs well.

Can't comment on that hash thing, but I don't see why that would be a problem? It's not linked to your name or something. Windows does a ton of things too that I find inexcusable, such as changing settings or permissions after updates, those have an actual impact on my daily experience with these things

> you need a ton of third party tools to make it behave like Windows, that's what you mean.

100% this.

Because Windows works just fine for me.

I'm a dev, I don't game. No issues.

Why people find this hard to believe is kind of puzzling to be honest. As if everyone's experience simply HAS to match your own.

Depends on whether using someone else’s windows machine leaves you crazy annoyed.

My windows machine is also “fine” for the most part because i turned off whatever I could and tried to mod whatever I could not. Even so, every once in a while, typing “code” and being taken to an edge bing search makes me want to rip it to shreds.

And I delay every update as far as possible and am filled with dread when it finally wont let me postpone it.

It isn’t that fine now that I think about it.

Do you use powershell or run WSL

Linux doesn't run the software I want to use, or runs it badly. MacOS... lmao.

Macs are circling down the same drain.

In what way?

- They are rapidly iOS-ifying the desktop experience

- All core services and apps experience significant performance degradation (to thenpoint that Spotlight regularly fails to find installed apps) which are currently only offset by the insane performance of the M* series chips

- Services become more and more pervasive, with ads throughout the system

> offset by the insane performance of the M* series chips

I'm really afraid of that one. MacOS engineers don't have to worry about performance optimizations anymore, because the chips gobble it up anyway. Ever more powerful hardware is how we ended up with the awful performance of modern-day computing.

I don't know what that first one means. You mean the glass design?

Yeah, spotlight has been rough for years, I grant you that.

I haven't seen a single ad in my system. Where do you see them?

You're probably an iCloud services user. Try a Mac without an iCloud account - it's nagging you pretty heavily to set it up, get an iCloud+ subscription, use TV and Music and Game Center subscriptions, and so on.

> You're probably an iCloud services user.

I don't even know what iCloud is, and I have seen zero ads. I don't understand such comments.

Oh please. Unless you’ve never opened system settings and got the device with a user account pre-configured for you, you have been exposed to iCloud several times.

Does it make one especially edgy to pretend to use an Apple device while never having heard the name of their single cloud offering? Whatever floats your boat, mate.

Correct. My device is issued to me by my employer. I never owned a Mac in my life.

I admit that my comment was a bit over the top. But all I know about iCloud is that it's similar to OneDrive. Never used it.

If I have seen them, I guess my internal ad block is just too strong.

I am not. I don't even have Apple ID.

> I don't know what that first one means. You mean the glass design?

Not just glass. It started with Big Sur at least. It's forcing narrow and/or devoid of controls interfaces into every app, breaking decades-old system behaviours (misbehaving controls, wrong or non-functioning keyboard shortcuts, mobile-like interfaces in desktop apps etc.). It's eschewing MacOS-native development for shoddy half-assed ports of iPhone software even for first-party apps. Etc.

> I haven't seen a single ad in my system. Where do you see them?

I've seen notifications for Apple Music, and I've seen ads in the System Settings

Games

I have a desktop computer that I use for gaming so it had windows forever. Lately it started running laggy. Occasional frame drops and stuff. Reinstall, bios update etc nothing helped.

For debugging I installed Bazzite (Linux gaming distro) assuming compatibility would be shit but I can at least test native linux builds of some games to see if there is a hardware issue. The thing runs perfectly. I've been playing propert windows games on Proton with higher / more consistent FPS. It is kind of funny at this point. Granted I do not play any competitive / multiplayer games.

I guess Valve did a great job on the Steam Deck sw.

I've been running Fedora (or a flavor) on my gaming PC for two years. All my games work. I understand some competitive games with intrusive anti cheat are incompatible, but with the success of the steam deck I don't think the gaming argument is holding much water these days.

Fair. Depends on the game to be honest.

I switched from Windows 10 to Fedora recently. Most of the games I play work without issue but I know there are some which categorically refuse to work (mainly some specific anti-cheating software reasons).

I was playing RE9 at 4K on my Debian 13 last weekend. The vast majority of games work, even some live service games. 5 years ago you would face significant issues, today that simply isn't the case.

Do you play fortnite? Steam's linux support is really good but I kept a Windows install for a couple of years so I could keep playing fortnite.

I do use Linux at work and for programming at home, but for general office work Windows is just better, sorry.

As for MacOS, I just hate it.

Because they suck.

I moved to ultramarine linux and it's great - fast, has a nifty desktop management system, a few bugs but more than happy compared to using microsoft.

"It sucks"

Ha!

Macs are too expensive for the same performance/ram, and Linux still can't run proper creative software.

"Most companies still do not publish Linux builds for creative software"

There, fixed it for you.

It's not like Linux is the blocker here.

Doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

This used to be the case but looking at Macbooks now they are not much more expensive than a Windows laptop you would actually want to buy. And since they will still have some residual value 5 years from now i think it's about even.

> And since they will still have some residual value 5 years from now.

I dont know any private person in my circle that actually sold their laptop until it wasnt broken or so painfully old that the used value was mostly for spare parts. That may change a bit with the skyrocketing pc part prices but still.

This used to be case before the M series. Now each year a new M processor gets released that are "cheaper" than the previous generation MAC - better processor, more RAM and more storage for similar price than last year model. This impacted their price in used market.

My main computer is a 2020 m1 Mac. It handles everything I throw at it. I predict I’ll upgrade in maybe 4-5 years.

are you a creative professional? because I see that argument quite often as if people use Adobe CS daily, and then its mostly people who do basic stuff (that photopea or gimp can handle fine), but they like to feel "pro" by launching their pirated version of photoshop.

I use krita, adobe substance 2024, blender and whatever other software. Professionally.

When I hear these arguments I just think these people are simply chained.

Gimp is ass, what takes me 5 minutes in Photoshop needs an hour in GIMP. Also I edit photos occasionally in lightroom. I actually daily Linux, but I still have to dual boot for gaming and Adobe.

Also Linux isn't flawless either, Fedora broke sleep on my full AMD PC since like a month now and no agent could successfully debug it.

> Macs are too expensive for the same performance/ram

This hasn't been true for at least a decade. And it's especially not true for the M* series Macs.

Even Macbook Neo can handle editing several layers of 4k video files in several apps while running everything else https://youtu.be/Mo6o8RKn7jE?is=opeCYMDbt7bUAdvS Try that on "the same performance/ram" Windows Machine

feel free to link a windows computer (pre-built or parts, whatever you want) that outperforms the m4 mac mini while costing either the same or less

In my case the bottleneck isn't cpu performance, it's ram. You can't run serious apps with 16gigs, nor lightroom with a large catalog nor Photoshop with Ai filters. Also running multiple agents with dev servers is ram intensive.

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