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Real men don't hate gay people and aren't scared about where people pee

Masculine, kind, and fatherly. What a man. I want to be more like Chuck.

Real men say fuck.

Real men have culture and don't have to say that.

What part about Chuck was a great role model for real men?

The homophobia? The racism? The infidelity? The conspiracy theories?

Or just because he was a martial artist and actor that had a bunch of low effort memes?

Just out of curiosity, could you (or anyone else) give a couple of examples of what you would consider "great role models for real men"? Or "good role models for well-adapted men", if you'd rather use less inflammatory language.

Fred Rogers, Terry Crews, Lin Manuel Miranda, Henry Cavill, John Cena, Steve Irwin and Dave Grohl to name a few.

Ironically, the very concept of a “real man” is founded on the idea that a man should be defined by stereotypes rather than by sex, which puts manosphere enthusiasts and gender enthusiasts in closer epistemological proximity than either would care to admit.

I saw this coming, that's why I made this point, which you ignored:

> Could you give a couple of examples of what you would consider > "good role models for well-adapted men" ?

I'm actually curious.

Amy Coney Barrett.

Supreme court judge, mother of 7, still finds time to go to the gym.

I meant male role models for men (I'm sure you could find one). Not every man aspires to be the mother of 7 and go to the gym. (Because: remember that gyms are classist by design. [1])

But maybe lets talk about how Amy got called out by The Human Rights Campaign and 185 LGBTQ organizations for her "disturbingly anti-LGBTQ past writings, rhetoric and association with extremist groups." [2]

Or how about when The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights described her record as "fundamentally cruel," arguing she frequently sides with corporations over individuals and shows hostility toward established precedents like the Affordable Care Act.

At least Chuck Norris had no real impact on policy with his bigotry.

[1] https://www.leeboyce.com/truth-the-fitness-life-is-a-relativ...

[2] https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/the-human-rights-campaign...

[3] https://civilrights.org/resource/oppose-the-confirmation-of-...

Why does a role model for a man have to be a man? Besides, she's an exceptionally good role model even for traditionalist views of what makes a man, by virtue of being so accomplished in her career and still making time for family and health. Her record poses the question: what's your excuse? Men who are all-in on hyperfocus should wither before her.

Sure, there are people that hate her. Her own patron, our Dear Leader, probably hates her when she rules against his interests. All the more reason to respect her.

Sure, a woman can be a role model for a man.

Just out of curiosity, could you think of one man that could also be a role model for men and women?

what are "real men"?

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