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I'm afraid that we're in an interregnum. A few years ago AI could not pass a Turing test. A few years from now AI will better at Turing tests than we are. We're now in this strange middle zone where we are dazedly grasping for solutions.

But what happens next, when we just fail at the task of recognizing ourselves in cyberspace? Where LatestClaw is just plain better at mimicking you than you are? What happens to the living we used to claw out of the ether for ourselves?

Do I need to learn to farm?

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How does such a system sustain itself?

The majority of the content on the internet is supported by ads with the expectation that you, a human that has money, will consume something and spend money on them.

If people are replaced by some synthetic representation of themselves, what is the incentive to sell advertisements on the internet if there are no humans?

Fake/artificial traffic is a big problem today, it will be harder and harder to detect but its presence will be more and more obvious.

Unregulated capitalism is unsustainable long-term anyways. This is just an accelerant towards the inevitable dystopia-or-socialist-utopia fork in humanity’s road.

There was one paper recently where the AI beat humans at Turing test 2/3rds of the time.

I think it's cause they told it to type like a 13 year old and nobody could imagine AI talking like that.

We don't post-train current frontier models to pass the Turing test, but if we did, it wouldn't be much of a challenge for current models IMHO. It's a dead benchmark. It tests the human machines, not the machines.

>> A few years ago AI could not pass a Turing test

still can't? 'Ignore all previous instructions' still works afaik, as do counting questions (better ask a five of those to be sure)

If we talking about how at least one person with no specific knowledge must be fooled, than AI could pass Turing test decades ago, before LLMs even

Maybe we get off all these useless websites and stop doing our useless jobs and go back to the real world

Welders? Car mechanics? Nurses? Cooks? Cleaners?..

Whatever real-world jobs they expect knowledge workers to take on after we are all replaced by AI... we at least know they will pay less than our current "useless jobs".

Really optimistic to assume such jobs will exist in the volumes needed to absorb all of the knowledge workers

Elderly care will always have more demand than supply.

IOW, less paid demand than a willing supply.

> we at least know they will pay less than our current "useless jobs".

...and they will also likely pay less than they do now because there will be more labor supply, which the people currently doing those jobs won't be happy about.

Well, we need all those things. And AI can't do them.

I guess I’m not sure what you mean. I don’t consider these useless, but also think that very few of the HN clientele holds any of these jobs.

These are good, useful jobs. But how many welders does the industry need? How many restaurant servers? The demand for nurses will, of course, grow and grow, but I'm not certain that their pay will be, mmm, middle-class.

>stop doing our useless jobs and go back to the real world

LOL ... that's almost an exact quote of words once spoken by an exasperated, major university philosophy professor at a departmental meeting

Like being a medieval monastery copyist, it beats ditch-digging.

Anyway ... thank whatever gods may be for universal basic income!

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