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Comment by jatari | Hacker News Reader

China is currently a more morally virtuous country than the US.

I'm more angry than most about what the US has become lately, but I also have a deep knowledge of what China is actually like from 6 years living and working there, and I can tell you that China is still worse. Granted, the US is heading that directly pretty quickly.

Believe me, China hasn't show its true face yet, but it will, just wait.

And while we are waiting, there're another few wars to be done.

Maybe the true face of China so far is that it hasn't shown its true face. While the true face of the US is what it has shown again and again.

It's gonna take a LOT for them to match the USA's depravity.

Let's not get crazy here

They welded shut the doors to Uyghur Muslims and had a bunch of donated food for them stacked outside their homes in one giant pile that they couldn't get to. It either rotted away or was eaten by animals.

Jack booted thugs shot a women in the face for the crime of sitting in her car and the administration called her a terrorist. Nothing happened to the thug.

Jack booted thugs shot a man in the back for the crime of defending a woman and the administration called him a terrorist. Nothing happened to that thug either.

Absolutely. But what people don't realize is this sort of thing happens in China too, it's just never reported or heard about, other than some whispers here and there, because of such tight control over the media, the internet, and public discourse. In the US, as much as the fascists are trying to take over, at least you can still protest and make your voice heard.

Source?

Me. I lived and worked there for a number of years. When you talk to the local people in confidence you find out about this stuff, and you sometimes catch glimpses of it before it's scrubbed from local social media. There's a very high level of control.

How can I, as a Westerner, verify this?

Spend a few years in China.

Most people don't understand this about China, and most reporters who go there are like "I spent 2 weeks in China and here's what it's like", or "I spent a semester studying at Beida (Peking U)".

10+ years ago there were places where social media posts were archived by some brave individuals before they were scrubbed so you could see what words were being targeted by censors. But that's long shut down to my knowledge.

Sadly the forum posts were returned to angel Moroni. Really wishing I had a seer stone rn :(

There are news stories that come out occasionally from reputable sources.

Anything I can read? So far to believe it, I either have to move to and live in China for several years or "trust me bro". Neither of those are epistemically viable. It should be clear why.

Why can I say? Sometimes the only way to really learn about a country esp one with such tight control over information is to live there a decent amount of time. And since not many investigative journalists are doing that in China any more (China’s not likely to let them stay if they’re reporting the truth), it’s tough. If you really want to know, you may have to go find out for yourself.

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