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So now all the world’s best and brightest scientists will move to China where they’ll be welcomed in open arms, enjoy living in a modern society with affordable electric cars, the world’s premier high speed train network, glimmering new subway systems, and ample affordable housing.
They’ll work on cutting-edge research projects that receive ample funding and support while American scientists wrestle with a federal government torn apart by anti-intellectual strongmen.
You ever see a Tesla robot demo like this? https://youtu.be/mUmlv814aJo
Are we tired of winning yet? It sounds like we are beyond tired of winning, we’d rather lose from here on out.
Seems like Russia and the USA are hell-bent on destroying themselves fighting forever wars to allow China and the EU to take the reins as the beacons of global stability and strength.
That said, China is sponsoring lots of foreign students from belt and road countries to come there and learn Chinese, so its a work in progress.
Large scale movements are much easier.
They'll also get to experience as much or more racism than they would have in America, but likely far more racism. In America you find racism in some (usually rural) areas, and people who are very accepting in other areas (big cities where most science research is typically done). I'm not sure China is going to be the easiest place to build a life for foreigners.
Is a black person whose parents grew up in segregation, redlining, etc, really getting a worse experience in China?
I know fully English speaking born in USA Asian people who avoid certain parts of the country over the racism they get from Americans.
This “lack of racism in the USA” only exists if you’re white.
Don’t forget that ICE is currently arbitrarily detaining people for looking/sounding foreign, and that actual US citizens and people with permanent residency status have been caught up in it.
At least in China they have their fucking paperwork in order.
Some places won't server you in China, if that's what you're asking. It isn't as bad as some time in the past in the US, but it's not going to be smooth sailing at all.
>I know fully English speaking born in USA Asian people who avoid certain parts of the country over the racism they get from Americans.
Yes, and I covered that in my comment. Rural areas are always going to be worse for minorities.
>This “lack of racism in the USA” only exists if you’re white.
Where the hell did I ever say that??? Why are people reading things into comments that simply aren't there??
>Don’t forget that ICE is currently arbitrarily detaining people for looking/sounding foreign, and that actual US citizens and people with permanent residency status have been caught up in it.
Gee, no kidding. You don't say.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to call me out for, or why.
By this measure, America is now greater than ever.
Of course, it's convenient to pretend that Trump is building a racist dictatorship with a Gestapo, and that's why no one wants to move to the US. But the true is that the number of people around the world who would like to move to the US is higher than ever. Especially when the current administration is trying to purge society of foreign criminals.
> So now all the world’s best and brightest scientists will move to China
Yes, of course. It's practically the same thing. The only reason scientists go to China is because they are not allowed into the US.
Basically, their whole comment is based on non-factual information.
US is discouraging talent by revoking student visas, China is offering more funding and incentives while the US has flat federal funding with future cuts likely: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-europe-us-scientists
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/science-resea...
China produces more research in top journals than the US: https://quincyinst.org/research/chinas-historic-rise-to-the-...
The commenter claimed that there’s no ICE Gestapo, and that this administration is deporting criminals, but 74% of detainees have no criminal convictions and only 5% have any violent criminal record: https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convi...
ICE told officers in a memo to disregard due process and the 4th amendment:
https://apneas.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-...
Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens:
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG...
More people are moving out of the US than moving in for the first time since the Great Depression: https://fortune.com/2026/02/27/trump-immigration-crackdown-w...
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-08-22/la-na-im...
I have no link for this one, but it’s worth pointing out that educated immigrants likely have the most options on where they want to live. They’re not in the same situation as a day laborer hopping the border to the closest country that has work available. The US doesn’t have to be a bad option available for that kind of person to say “nah, I’ll go somewhere else.” It just has to be a less good option with enough negative aspects, and they’ll say, eff that, I’m going to find a position in Germany/Netherlands/China/etc.
What you're effectively proposing is to prefer Americans with mediocre academic performance over top-tier international talent.
I see so many people complaining about H1Bs at tech jobs. At least the H1Bs pass the interviews!
Disclaimer: born and raised in the US myself.
The leetcode nature of the whole process doesn’t lend itself to be motivating for people who aren’t really hungry for a job. As a US citizen you can say fuck it, I don’t need to deal with this shit. As an H1B you’re forced to deal with it otherwise you need to leave the country.
I’ve hired plenty of sharp and talented folks who were born here.
I am saying that our culture generally has resulted in fewer talented folks than the H1B population because we have a cultural focus on education.
For example, it is culturally acceptable in the US to get poor grades throughout K-12.