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If Rails is considered a worse framework, then I'm pretty much speechless. Not everything has to be about performance. Security is a thing too.

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I miss Rails so much when working with any of the top JS frameworks.

Every time I run into an issue that Rails had a standardized solution for a decade ago just proves that most of the JS world spends their days metaphorically digging holes with sharp sticks, rather than using the appropriate tool.

But the industry values overpaying stick-diggers over results, therefore I gotta play along…

Shilling a bit but maybe check out wasp.sh, we are conceptually very similar to "Rails for JS"! Just don't tell Claude to completely copy us hehe (pls)

Nothing personal and I wish you the best of luck with wasp.sh, but the constant churn of new libraries that will revolutionize JS development, but are never quite finished and are eventually abandoned in a semi functional state is exhausting and exactly the main issue I have with the JS ecosystem in general.

At this point, I'm convinced there's a secret global conspiracy to prank JS developers. For example 1 person maintaining 3 similar-but-distinct decimal libraries for Javascript, or the top 3 PDF processing libraries silently producing blank outputs.

I get that people like but I really cannot stand most of the decisions it made. The worst of all is auto imports which every language has rejected: https://bower.sh/on-autoloading

Rails powers nearly 15 percent of the US e-commerce. I love it. Any time I have to use another framework it feels like a huge downgrade. Rails has so many things that make it nice to use

Agreed 100%. I shifted to Phoenix/Elixir years ago but I still love Rails for all the sensible defaults it provides.

Elixir is nice but the console feels like the Stone Age by comparison. That drives me a little crazy

I have the opposite opinion - give me stone age over the colored christmas lights anyday :)

It's terribly painful to go and have to import everything you want to use when you want to use the Elixir console. That alone makes it not worth it to me.

How is the elixir job market these days?

You can find specialized roles than Rails and usually more experienced (understandably) but most companies would be really open if you told them you have a Rails background but want to learn Elixir.

The pool size is less, but the pay is more (depending on your demographics, experience, etc) in my personal experience.

But, honestly I chose it not for the market, it's just a better programming language to build stuff, period.

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