Seriously though, Iran has repeatedly declared that the U.S. and Israel should cease to exist. It funds militant groups across the Middle East. It claims its nuclear program is for “peaceful purposes,” yet has produced highly enriched uranium at levels far beyond what is needed for civilian energy - levels that could only be used for nuclear weapons.
Iran’s hostility toward the U.S. and Israel is so overt that American and Israeli flags are sometimes placed on the floors of certain facilities so officials can walk over them as a symbolic gesture of contempt.
Iran killed their own people in numbers anywhere between 3000 to 30000, shooting live ammunition onto civilian protests.
Yet in the same breath, you criticize Iran for saying that 'US and Israel should cease to exist'.
Given Israel currently has nuclear weapons, Israel is currently committing genocide (helped and funded by the US), the atrocities that Israel have committed over the last 70 years (setting aside the fact that it is an apartheid state, and is an occupying force, continuing to steal Palestinian land to this day), and the fact that the US has killed more innocent civilians in recent history (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) than Iran has...
Why the double standard?
And before I get accused of being a Khamenei supporter (Westerners tend to not like nuance on these topics) - I hate the Iranian regime. I agree there needs to be a regime change. At the same time, I also think there needs to be a regime change in Israel, as no government since it's inception has been for peace - the only PM they had that was doing the bare minimum towards it was killed by an Israeli.
Has it? Interesting. Wasn't aware of this phenomenon.
[1] https://forward.com/opinion/805648/genocide-has-become-meani...
[2] https://www.maxim.org.nz/article/genocide-shouldnt-be-over-u...
[3] https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2024/09/the-dilution-of-ge...
Hah. "Get educated because I don't like the way you use the word"
From one of the articles you shared:
“acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.”
Let's see what Israeli leadership have said (a small sample), and then go look at aerial photos of Gaza now, and then tell me who needs to be educated:
Yoev Gallant - Israeli Minister of Defense:
"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly."
"Gaza won't return to what it was before. There will be no Hamas. We will eliminate everything."
Netanyahu - to members of the Knesset, said that Israel was "destroying more and more houses [in Gaza, and Palestinians accordingly] have nowhere to return", and that "the only obvious result will be Gazans choosing to emigrate outside of the Strip"
In July 2025, Defense Minister Israel Katz instructed the IDF to relocate all Gazans to a "humanitarian zone" in the destroyed city of Rafah, in preparation for an unspecified "emigration plan"
Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's repeated invocation of Amalek and the phrase "remember what Amalek did to you".
Finance Minister Smotrich also said, "There are no half measures ... Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat – total annihilation. 'Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.'"
President Isaac Herzog blamed the "entire nation" of Palestine for the 7 October attack. He added: "It is not true, this rhetoric about civilians being not aware, not involved."
Deputy Speaker of the Knesset Nissim Vaturi wrote that the government was allowing too much aid to enter Gaza and that the IDF should "burn Gaza now".[104] He said that Israel's goal was "erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the Earth." When asked to clarify his statements by Kol BaRama, Vaturi reiterated that Gaza and its inhabitants must be destroyed, saying: "I don't think there are any innocent people there now... If there is an innocent person there, we will know about them. Whoever stays there should be eliminated, period."[106] In 2025, Vaturi called Palestinians "scoundrels" and "subhumans" and called for the adult men in Gaza to be killed.
Instead of looking at the crap that comes out of the mouths of this horrible government, look at what actually happened. Israel had everyone rallied up, yet they were not exterminated en mass like you and other commenters are saying.
The death toll in this war is a result of Hamas and their supporters taking advantage of the population to protect themselves and cause people like you to speak against Israel [1].
[1] https://nypost.com/2024/06/11/hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-beli...
You understand exactly what I mean, yet you try to portray what I said as if I’m alluding to a technicality. If a nation has the means and intent for genocide, you get a genocide. This is not what it is.
Lastly, I’m not trying to show I’m balanced, and neither are you.
Israel does not commit genocide by any objective metric.
> the fact that it is an apartheid state
And it is not an apartheid state as can be evidenced by the fact that Arabs and other cnthincal minorities, e.g., Druze or Cherkessians, reach highest positions in politics, academic, and private enterprises. You can simply google things like "notable israeli arab judges" and get results that disprove this whole idea of "apartheid".
> and the fact that the US has killed more innocent civilians in recent history (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) than Iran has...
This is strange argument. So, if US did bad things, others should do them to?
> And before I get accused of being a Khamenei supporter (Westerners tend to not like nuance on these topics) - I hate the Iranian regime. I agree there needs to be a regime change. At the same time, I also think there needs to be a regime change in Israel, as no government since it's inception has been for peace - the only PM they had that was doing the bare minimum towards it was killed by an Israeli.
You do not have to be Khamenei supports, it is enough to have double standards. From your own comment it is clear that you see the whole IP conflict without any nuance. For example, you ignore all the injustices jews suffered from the hands of Palestinians even before 1948. So, I will ask the same question you asked:
Why the double standard?
All the typical “proves” of a genocide based on arguments that make any other war genocide as well, which in turn completely devalues actual genocides that did happen, and desensitizes the public so that when an actual genocide will happen no one will react.
(1) war
(2) ceasefire that doesn’t hold
For example, there was a ceasefire between Thailand and Cambodia, and then it was violated.
Anyway there's no point arguing with people like you. The evidence is clear. The political rhetoric from Israel is clear. People who actually study genocide are very clear. Israel will "cleanse" Gaza of the "animals" and the West bank and idiots in America will lap up the propaganda and argue about whether its actually a genocide or not.
Why? There are plenty of other wars where previous ceasefires were violated. Hamas themselves refuse to put down their arms, which is also a violation of ceasefire.
> The evidence is clear.
The evidence is not clear.
> The political rhetoric from Israel is clear.
Rhetoric of some people in the government doesn’t mean much. Like any democratic country, you can have elected people who have extreme views.
> People who actually study genocide are very clear.
What are you talking about? The organization of international scholar of genocide where anyone can pay a small fee and be a scholar in the organization? Yeah, this is evidence!!!
> Israel will "cleanse" Gaza of the "animals" and the West bank and idiots in America will lap up the propaganda and argue about whether its actually a genocide or not.
So, it didn’t happen yet, but you already know it will happen?
Of course you are not going to do it. Because it would require you to get factual, and provide some evidence to corroborate your points, which would be hard.
> You can at the least state it's plausible, and I'd take you seriously.
Are you saying it is possible that the war in Gaza is not genocide?
> The rest of your drivel is a deliberate misreading of my post.
Sure. Better to dismiss the person, than engage in factual discussion.
The funny part of this narrative that I'd expect pro-protest journalists and anti-protest journalist to like it. It shifts responsibility from both parties to some outside parties. But still for pro-government journalists the narrative is more convenient: government just likes to blame outside players, it just can't resist it. So my bet is the journalists you refer to are working for the government.
> Israel is far more extreme. They do have nuclear weapons. Their president is kept in power with eternal war.
Changing the topic by pointing at someone who is presumably worse is a classic technique of propaganda. It is the technique people learn to use in kindergarten, trying to shift responsibilities and to distract adults from their failings. It is the technique Adam and Eva used when trying to shift responsibility and to distract God from their own failings. The technique so simple, that propagandists just can't stop using it.
So my bet, that you are from the same group as journalists you mentioned. Maybe they and you are the same person, really.
Have you seen a dead body in your life? Have you seen a street stained with blood being washed with high pressure water? Have you seen parts of the brain of a fellow citizen on the sidewalk, the same guy who was standing next to you 30 seconds ago? 36'000 people were killed in just two nights. It was like 5 battles of D-Day, but in a shorter amount of time.
And you are conveniently forgetting the fact that most of the people came out when Reza Pahlavi requested a mass protest.
And then you portray it as if the people had no agency in this, they didn't know that 1500 were killed in the 2019 protests. And a similar number in 2022-2023 over Mahsa Amini, for protesting the actions of the "ethics police" killing a young girl over a few strands of her hair.
In the end, everyone is responsible for this other than the actual tyrants running the régime and the blood thirsty mullahs doing the actual killing.
The will of the Iranian people is clear: The don't want to become slaves of Western Imperialism.
Do you really think we we Iranian government would be able to keep in power despite a brutal economic blockade, despite foreign agents constantly trying to spread unrest if it were as competent, cruel and unpopular as the Western media tell you? It wouldn't last weeks.
> 36'000 people were killed in just two nights.
You are completely delusional if you believe that number. Just the logistics of killing so many people would be insane. You are falling hard for Western propaganda.
Funny how you are not crying for the end of the Israeli regime that is committing the best documented genocide in history. How you are not criticizing Western allies like the UAE for fueling the bloody civil war in Sudan.
But Iran, yeah you got an opinion on that.
I think if you ignore all the videos where you clearly see police and other regime forces gunning down people on the streets, then yes. Otherwise, I would say that Iranian people are tired of Islamic colonization project.
> You are completely delusional if you believe that number. Just the logistics of killing so many people would be insane. You are falling hard for Western propaganda.
Here are the logistics: https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/comments/1qknmkn/a_father_s...
you can find plenty of videos like this. Of course you would prefer a 4k live stream of the crackdown on the protesters but its kind of hard to make given that the internet was shut down during that time, and only some videos made it out.
> for the end of the Israeli regime that is committing the best documented genocide in history.
War is war, and is completely different from genocide.
> How you are not criticizing Western allies like the UAE for fueling the bloody civil war in Sudan.
Are you saying that Saudis are not western allies that fueling the civil war in Sudan? I'll remind you that the war in Sudan has backers from many gulf nations, which back opposing forces.
This was true in the beginning. Now every protest chants “Javid Shah”, “death to Khamenei”, etc, which are political chants.
> And they have an Apartheid system.
The only apartheid system that allows the minority they discriminate against to achieve highest positions as judges, academics, celebrities, etc.
> And they are actively depopulating the original population.
This is not true. You can simply check how number of Arabs grew, and in many cases, outpaced in their growth the Jewish population.