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there's an entire cohort on HN who still claim AI is utterly and completely useless despite in your face evidence. Literally people making a similar claim word for word who say that they don't understand the hype that they used AI themselves and it's shit.

Meanwhile my entire company uses AI and the on the ground reality for me versus the cohort above is so much at odds with each other we're both claiming the other side is insane.

I haven't used these bots yet but I want to see the full story. Not just one guys take and one guys personal experience. The hype exists because there are success stories. I want to hear those as well.

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You’re correct. Any statement by HN users that something is useless has no value because they say that about useful things too.

Moltbot has the shape of the future but doesn’t feel like it to me. Sort of like Langchain once was. Demonstrated some new paradigm shift but is itself flawed so may not be the implementation that lasts. Time will tell.

The only thing here to say is “put it in a VM and try it”. It’s easy to try.

What do you use AI for?

Pretty much everyone in my company also uses AI. But everyone sees the same downsides.

Yep. But on HN, there's a huge cohort of people saying AI is useless.

Everyone sees the downsides but the upside is the one everyone is in denial about. It's like yeah, there's downsides but why is literally everyone using it?

As a rule of thumb, most people who say things like "X is useless and a waste" or "Y is revolutionary and is going to change everything by tomorrow" when the dust hasn't even begun to settle are stupid, overly-excitable, too biased towards negative outlooks, and/or trying to sell you something.

Sometimes they have some good points so you should listen to what they have to say. But that doesn't mean you have to get absorbed into their world view. Just integrate what you see as useful from your current POV and move on.

Not everyone is using it.

Not yet.

The comment above was saying OpenClaw was useless relative to their other heavy AI usage.

The person you’re criticizing says they’re a heavy AI user. The take was about OpenClaw, not AI.

Yeah, and he's basically asking for more OpenClaw success stories.

I don’t know how you came to that conclusion from my comment. I’m talking about a particular product named OpenClaw, representing a new style of doing work; not AI in general.

I dropped $200 on Claude Max in my personal capacity to test OpenClaw because I use Opus 4.5 all day in Cursor on an enterprise subscription… because it works for those problems.

>I don’t know how you came to that conclusion from my comment. I’m talking about a particular product named OpenClaw, representing a new style of doing work; not AI in general.

Right, I'm saying AI in general is an example of the unreliability of peoples experiences on openclaw. If people are so unreliable about the narrative of AI, I don't trust the narrative of openclaw which on this thread in particular is very negative and in stark contrast to the hype.

>I dropped $200 on Claude Max in my personal capacity to test OpenClaw because I use Opus 4.5 all day in Cursor on an enterprise subscription… because it works for those problems.

The comment wasn't directed at you personally. I'm just saying I want to see counter examples of openclaw succeeding, not just examples of it failing. Frankly on this thread there's Zero success stories which I find sort of strange.

There's people saying AI isn't living up its hype / valuation, I don't see many saying "utterly useless".

And there's plenty who worship at the altar of Claude.

>There's people saying AI isn't living up its hype / valuation, I don't see many saying "utterly useless".

There's more people saying AI doesn't live up to the hype. The people who are saying it's utterly useless is still quite large on HN. It's just that most of them are midway through changing their story because reality is smashing them in the face.

>And there's plenty who worship at the altar of Claude.

I mean who doesn't use it? No one claims it's perfect or a god of code. But if you're not using it you're behind.

> There's more people saying AI doesn't live up to the hype.

It is possible they are correct and nothing you have written suggests otherwise.

> The people who are saying it's utterly useless is still quite large on HN.

Are these people's opinions less valid than your own? Are you angry your opinion might be a minority on this one website?

> It's just that most of them are midway through changing their story because reality is smashing them in the face.

You made this up.

> But if you're not using it you're behind.

Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man

The problem with those opinions is they add next to nothing, and they often have the least experience with the things they're critiquing.

Those of us who want to explore what people are doing have to wade through piles of comments saying the same thing, with very little difference from comment to comment.

That said, the opinion is quite valid. I think many people will continue to have no use for agents.

Come back to this comment in 2 years lol. By then you’ll see it wasn’t opinion.

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