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I remember in 2015 saying on HN Teslas will never truly drive themselves and was laughed off this site. Still not there a decade later and now Musk says they are moving on to humanoid robots, another thing that’s never going to really happen.

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My Tesla drove me to the supermarket today. I pushed a button and it took me there and parked in a good spot. It drove me to another state this summer. It works and works very well. Not sure if you’re up to date here because the full self driving is incredible. Nobody is even close to touching Tesla here, they’re 5 years ahead of any other car maker in this respect.

If by that you mean in terms of fatalities, then you would be accurate. Tesla advanced-driving systems have more recorded fatalities than the entire rest of the automotive industry worldwide combined.

It does not matter how you dice up the statistics (i.e., miles driven, risk levels of the drivers, by year, by location, etc). Tesla AP and FSD are the most dangerous driving systems on the road.

Tesla AP is a basic ADAS system like Toyota Safety Sense. So using FSD and AP in the same sentence basically reads like Microsoft Windows 3.1 and Microsoft Windows 11.

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Waymo is better

Waymo is different. Waymo evolved over a period of 15 years into a mature and deployable robotaxi service. Waymo has a hardware strategy, enormous data infrastructure, real time data from 2 billion Maps and Navigation users, a support infrastructure that makes opex sense, which makes an ambitious expansion program possible. In other words it's got what it takes to be a real product and it is a real product. Possibly uniquely since the three Chinese Robo taxi services operates smaller fleets. Probably due to support requirements and a large number of interventions.

99% of my driving is FSD. Yea it took a while but with FSD 14 it's finally here. No other consumer self-driving is close. If you saw what this thing could do you would never not use it. It's like driving without a seatbelt now. You would never not want to be driving without it.

I had a former coworker who loved letting the FSD drive him places. He used to love driving people for lunch, ignoring all the crazy red flags like the car's inability to consistently detect other vehicles on the road around it or stay in the (clearly marked) lanes.

Then one day on the way home from work FSD nearly killed him.

He survived, but he will be crippled for life.

the remaining 1% when it drives you straight into crash barrier is sort of important

Are you sleeping in the back of the car while it drives itself, or is it still a party trick?

Be careful and dont drink the kool aid...all from 2025...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EhDTlYbn910

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3wtJhOj5Ouk

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CqazhMw205c

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/McX19KSWmbU

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p5QrtF2VYwE

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2na2I0E55-o

https://youtu.be/JoXAUfF029I

I don't need to drink anything. Having two drivers is better than one.

Honestly, I'm done trying to convince FSD deniers. You'll be in an autonomous car full-time in 10 years, no matter what, so who cares?

We're not really "denying" anything when we are agreeing with reality..

You're not agreeing with reality because you haven't used FSD 14. You're making assumptions on headlines and older versions. And honestly, 95% of the time, people are making assumptions about FSD when, in reality, they're thinking about Autopilot.

Ah how strange to make assumptions about revision 14, when “full self driving” rev 1-13 sucked and killed people.

"You'll be in an autonomous car full-time in 10 years, no matter what"

Hmmm... maybe. It's possible that in 10 years I'll still be driving the car I drive today, although not that likely. Pretty sure my next car will be electric. Autonomous I'm not so sure about. We'll see, I guess.

I don't entirely get the appeal of a self-driving car. What am I going to do while the car drives itself? I can't read in a moving vehicle. On a long trip, the most likely thing I would do is fall asleep and that does not seem like a great idea.

Just ten more years! Take my money!

Yea that's right, 10 years for you in your car. Right now, for people who own Teslas.

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It stops working if a little dirt gets on the camera.

Except it doesn't. Are you basing your comment on experience or Reddit posts?

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