By this logic Japan was aligned with USA during WW2, because both sides were killing people.
There's also an absence of an apparent ulterior motive. The US and Japan were also on opposite sides of the world, and had little to no prior history. It's not clear why (or along what lines) they would cooperate with each other in the presence of such real territorial conflict.
Germany is a somewhat closer case. Germany and the US had a shared history and tradition. Socialist / Communist politics were widespread in both, and the US was largely divided as to whether they would support or oppose the German socialists / war. So there is a much stronger case for an ulterior motive here. Indeed, Germany indisputably wanted many of their own people to be killed. Their leadership's desire to kill jewish German is beyond dispute... so as it relates to other classes of Germans (e.g. those who fill the Wiermact ranks)... I don't think we can rule out the possibility on the grounds that those people were (also) German.
However, to get back to the territorial aspect, Germany conquered a lot of land, and the Allies took it back. So, a closer situation to the current stalemate in Ukraine would be WWI. If they're not making any progress in terms of territory... what progress do they think they're making? The main change I see from here is that people are dying... so that's probably the whole point.
I think I need to leave Hacker News soon. It has become MAGA territory
> Europe is far more aligned with Russia than they are against
This does not follow.
It's hypocritical for Europe to claim North American territory, and then claim we should be concerned about a European nation claiming European territory.
Russia and Ukraine are both on the same continent. They're neighbors. That's a much tougher decision than whether a European nation should control Greenland... that's not even on the same hemisphere.
The US, under Trump, also bombed and sanctioned Iran, a major ally of Russia and supplier of drones and drone parts, and kidnapped Maduro, their staunchest ally in the Western Hemisphere, and tariffed countries buying Russian energy, and seized an actual Russian-flagged (not "shadow") tanker, despite it having a submarine escort--something Europe would never have the will to do.
> Europe is far more aligned with Russia than they are against
Also note the shift by Canada and Europe to trade more with China. Obviously some trade with China is unavoidable, but seeing them running into the arms of Beijing is quite unexpected, given that China is the single largest consumer of Russian energy exports, and in turn supplies Russia with various restricted, "dual use" components for their drone and other munitions programs, along with vital intelligence for launching strikes in Ukraine.
Our relationship has been deteriorating because it was very clear that the US was not behaving like the ally they said they were.
Oh, bullshit.
They threatened to shoot back if invaded.
If Mexico said they wanted Texas and sent troops across the border, I assure you force would be rapidly used. By more than just CBP.
Is North Dakota worthless land? Is Hawaii? Willing to hand them over?
What the hell is the point of an ally if it's seizing territory from you.
You can say "fine, we're not friends anymore", or "that was a dick move", or "why not?" But if you take it, despite being told no, that's clearly a crime here.
I've had friends keep things that I lent them, but that didn't ruin the friendship.
I've had friends say mean things, but that didn't ruin the friendship.
I've even gotten into a fist fight with one, but tempers calmed and the friendship endured. (I mean, the US fought two wars against England)
It's important to know who your friends are, and the knowledge that Europe is not a friend, is worth more to me than Greenland.
Is it friendly to ignore the opinions of the 50k people who live there?
Is it friendly to not be satisfied with the clear existing agreements and alliances that already permit US bases there?
Would we consider it friendly if Denmark demanded "useless" parts of, say, Nevada, and threatened to wreck our economy and/or invade if we said no?
It's genuinely wild to me that you look at the available factual information and go "yep, Europe's being a big meanie here". Trump's threats are not the acts of a friend.
I suspect they would strongly sympathize with the “we don’t want a bully to violate our treaties and steal our land”. No?