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All bad news man. They are shredding international institutions that might criticize our elites when they do whatever they want, consequences be damned. It's probably true the Democrats wouldn't have done exactly this move, but they aren't going to roll it back either.

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This has literally already happened under the first Trump term, and was rolled back under Biden, by Democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/biden-restores-who-...

So, like, what exactly is the point of making up reasons to hate Democrats. Obviously it's all the rage on the left (as on the right) to do so, but fabrications from the left are no better than fabrications from the right.

That's true, I remembered that after I posted, but at the same time, I suspect that a lot of this round will be more permanent. At least in the former case, the US did not exit the institution (1 year notice required). In this case, there will be more than 1 year between presidential administrations. If Trump doesn't pay up our outstanding fees, it is possible a Democratic administration will use that to say we never really exited, but if it is formally done, I feel rather skeptical they will rejoin.

There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations.

You have to put this in context that Trump is also creating what appears to be an alternative venue to the UN with the "Board of Peace" which was originally a colonial authority to impose our will on Gaza, but its charter doesn't mention Gaza at all and talks about international conflict in general.

>There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations.

Again, I feel like you have to live in an alternate universe to think that there is much continuity on foreign policy between Trump and <insert Democrat here>. Or you have to be laser focused on one or two similarities and ignore the vast chasms of difference on everything else.

It's true that we are in an era of change, but the Republicans are like the "id" of U.S. elites. Both parties regularly destroy entire countries. The Democrats mostly followed the Republican line on COVID after about 6 months. They are lagging, but they follow along.

There are a number of places where there are superficial differences, and those differences are important to people of color, trans people, etc, but the Dems are always looking for reasons to make a right turn. They track the Republicans who actively move right and create a small space a relative distance from their position.

> There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations.

You realize we just kidnapped a head of state, we're currently repositioning strike forces around Iran, and we just caused NATO to reposition troops to Greenland to defend against imminent US invasion?

Can you please identify events that you see as "continuous" with these ones?

Biden did a genocide in Gaza and killed 800k+ Americans with COVID. He created the conditions for the invasion of Ukraine by refusing to exclude Ukraine from NATO and probably destroyed Nordstream 2. He toppled the Pakistani government. Obama toppled Libya and allowed Ghaddafi to be sodomized to death with a bayonet. He juiced the civil war in Syria in Operation Timber Sycamore.

The Democrats are better at dressing things up and making it look like they're the good guys when they do the same stuff.

We are in a reorientation of American policy. Trump isn't doing this without consent from our elites, the same people that fund the Democrats who suspiciously aren't fighting it.

Hey everyone - learn how to spot a Russian propaganda account. Yikes!

hey now, it could also be Chinese, N Korean, Iranian, Saudi, Israeli, or even just plain ole USA-ian, since all of the evil billionaires trying to collapse the USG also happen to be Americans who own tech companies.

but said account was very like a shillbot, even if proper attribution is hard

I am an American citizen and a socialist and am quite real thank you. I don't know what you are talking about with billionaires trying to collapse the USG, it works for them. You do not have class consciousness.

What I am saying does not compute to you because you are tribalistic in your thinking. As the old quote goes: "The United States is also a one-party state, but with typical American extravagance, they have two of them."

Haha, thank you. Utterly deranged.

No need to be so aggressive about it lol, can just correct the parent poster. Personally I didn't know Biden rolled it back, and I just assumed it would only now take effect after having been 'in limbo'. :)

Maybe people need to have facts told to them aggressively to get them in the habit of not assuming things.

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