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I think it's worse that you have to behave maliciously. They have a right to make sound in public places. I'm not one of those people who plays stuff on full volume in public places but sometimes I am a bit noisy. I think back to when I'm having fun and it often involves a bunch of noise. Society is becoming way too intolerant and conformist.

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Doesn't the right to make sound in public places extend to the hypothetical users of this app?

I don't think a rights-based framing is the best way to look at this. It's about courtesy and respect for social norms.

I don't see how society is becoming too intolerant, if anything I think we are more tolerant of anti-social behavior than ever before.

The hypothetical users of the app will use it to shut down noise in public places.

You are the one defending anti-social behavior here.

If you don't like noise, don't go outside where other humans are. If you use psychological manipulation because you think people are playing videos too loud, maybe take a deep look in the mirror before talking about courtesy and respect.

Why not use headphones, so you can enjoy noise without bothering people who don’t like noise? Some noise can be uncomfortable to people at an airport. Movies with gunfire or shouting for example.

It's absurd that people would all have to carry around and use headphones just because some people don't want noise in public. I would agree that loud gunfire isn't appropriate in an airport but that's not the case here and you're misconstruing the situation to make your case sound better.

Airports aren't outside and they have a natural tendency to irritate people just by nature of existing. They aren't nice places and there's no need to make it worse by playing annoying TikToks

If they have a right to play their sounds in a public place, then I also have the right to play the same sounds in the same public place at almost, but not exactly, the same time.

You should absolutely do that and play it as loud as you want. What if the other person doesn't want to be manipulated and just plays it louder?

No one is saying don't make noise. They are saying be considerate of those around you. It is not a radical idea.

So you would advocate for someone to do this in public against someone else playing a video on their phone? Do you think this is the most considerate option?

Considerate? Yes, I'll consider leaving you alone. If it seems that you're having an actual problem, I'll even leave you alone. But if you're being rude because you haven't considered that others might not be interested in listening to your tiktok videos repeat endlessly, then when I take that into consideration it will likely have a negative effect on how I decide to treat you.

I'll also take into consideration whether or not you appear to be homeless if you stink (choosing not to shower and deciding not to shower are two different things). I'll take into consideration who it sounds like you're talking to when you're telling on the phone ("are you ok" vs interminable conversations on speakerphone in the break room/restaurant/other public places). If you're playing loud music in your car, before calling you out I'll consider whether the doors are open (you might not realize) or if you have the windows open (sharing your music choices with the world).

Consideration is the entire point. It doesn't mean letting people do whatever they like, it means judging (thinking about) then before doing anything. You have every like right to play your video, and I have every right to get annoyed at you for doing it without being considerate yourself.

Considerate: 1. Having or showing regard for the needs or feelings of others. synonym: thoughtful. Similar: thoughtful 2. Characterized by careful thought; deliberate. 3. Given to consideration or to sober reflection; regardful of consequences or circumstances; circumspect; careful; esp. careful of the rights, claims, and feelings of others.

No I think this solution is for people who have social anxiety and are too afraid to talk to people but whatever they feel like they need to do to stand up to inconsiderate assholes

https://xkcd.com/1499/

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