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That only works if they aren't U.S citizens... Which if they're working for the gov means they are. This administration is creative they will find other more 'legal' ways for retribution so the punishment sticks.

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> That only works if they aren't U.S citizens

Ice has already summarily executed two US citizens. one literally on camera and broadcasted to the world.

I think you're talking about Renee Good - who is the other person?

His name was Keith Porter. [1]

Relatedly, here's a fuller list of recent shootings by immigration agents. [2]

1. https://www.foxla.com/news/ice-shooting-keith-porter-northri...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shootings_by_U.S._immi...

I'm not quite sure why this is being voted down.

But as an outsider, its really not normal for agents of the state to detain people without legal basis. much less deliberatly make sure they can't be found. (citizen or not.)

You as a US citizen are not required to carry ID, so being arrested on the spot for not having proof of citizenship is grossly authoritarian.

Not to mention shooting someone in the street.

ICE just summarily executed a US citizen in the street with the full support of the administration.

Don't be so gullible.

There are quite a few examples where they did detain US citizens, even claiming that the papers they had weren't good enough.

The president has also multiple times said that he will strip people of citizenship. Yes, it's not exactly legal but they're doing illegal shit all the time and nobody's stopping them.

There are many documented cases of them detaining natural born US citizens for close to a month.

Nah, ICE is snatching and robbing US citizens too, even when they have ID on them. My (US citizen) friend got taken last month and driven hundreds of miles to another state simply for speaking spanish in public.

This clearly struck a nerve. What I was trying to say is I doubt they will use ICE for retribution here... My bet is they will use the FBI and simply arrest the sources. I'm aware ICE has detained U.S citizens and also killed citizens on the street.

What difference does it make whether they are US citizens or not?

At least DHS is not interested in finding out. And there has been plenty US citizens deported under DHS.

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118180/documents/...

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...

> And there has been plenty US citizens deported under DHS.

Are you sure? Do you mind linking to information / reporting about that? I have not seen any.

How about starting on the wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths,_detentions_and_deporta...

Then you can read the congressional report:

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118180/documents/...

At this point this is not an accident it's an intentional policy to spread fear and suppress dissent

It's easy to not see anything if you willingly close your eyes

Or what Upton Sinclair said.

Sure, since you haven't heard of Wikipedia, or internet in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths,_detentions_and_deporta...

Thanks. It (US citizens deported) hadn’t crossed my radar before, so it is helpful to have this reference.

My pleasure.

This would only be true if ICE cared to obey the law, which they do not. They are not observing even the most basic facsimile of due process or probable cause. Protesting them is being treated as grounds for brutalization or arrest. They are actively flaunting their contempt for the Constitution while "conservatives" cheer from the sidelines.

Instead of calling them "conservatives" we should be calling them reactionaries. They want to erase the progress of the 20th century.

Practically, what is stopping them from black-bagging and deporting citizens? Congress? The courts?

That's just it. In theory Congress watches the watchers.

But half of Congress sucks Trump's cock and the other half is literally denied the right to do their job.

Nonsense. You are seriously mistaken if you think mere legality will stop them.

This regime has already illegally stopped, assaulted, arested, jailed, and/or deported multiple US citizens. They now stop people and demand they show citizenship papers, and the AsstDirFBI has said people must carry proof of citizenship at all times, and if not, ICE are free to abuse you under the presumption you are an illegal.

We are already under a "May I see your papers, please?" Nazi-like system.

Except without the superficial politeness of the "May..." and "...Please" and seeing the face of your accusers who hide behind masks.

ICE is now close to being Trump's private police, funded by tax payer's money and beyond accountability.

Close? That's been the case since ICE started rocking face masks and getting deployed only to "blue" cities.

It seems our down-voters disagree.

Quite an interesting phenomena though, how affiliations color some unarguable facts. Many clearly believe that ICE agents are doing the right thing, they got what they voted for.

oh how naive you are... do you not watch the news / go outside?

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