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1 doesn’t seem to be happening… rather in the case of the woman shot attorneys were directed to investigate her family.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/federal-prosecutors-m...

In the meantime ICE seems to be trying to simply provoke a response time and again with no consequences.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen...

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin...

The volume of videos are endless. ICE agents walking up to protesters and shoving them to the ground, drive by pepper spraying, it goes on. These aren’t one off situations, this is every day in Minneapolis these days.

Out of genuine interest were you preaching this kind of bow down and blindly follow authority mantra during the COVID pandemic years?

I find it of interest that same kinds of anti state and federal government militia types that were actively storming federal and state capitals and beating on LEOs at that time are now joining ICE in droves and preaching compliance to the boot.

(1) Can be true. However with the "Absolute immunity" rhetoric from VP, this seems unlikely in the current environment.

(2) If one officer is telling you to move on and the other officer is telling you to get out of the car and you need to listen to both, which one do you comply with?

(3) You can be a "Legal Observer" does not imply "Political vigilantism". The idea of a "Legal Observer" is laid out by National Lawyers Guild and to some extent, by ACLU.

to counter 2) ICE is not police. There is nothing differentiating them from armed thugs. No bages, no ID's, no faces etc. There is no reason to do ANYTHING these people ask.

to counter 3) I would say there's a clear chick and egg here. ICE started behaving in a way that is now being met with an equal and opposite reactionary force. If ICE can stop acting like some SS wannabe force, the vigilantism goes away as well. The rules and laws are for everyone, not just some.

So your solution for dealing with armed thugs is NOT to comply with their demands?

Yes, that’s the duty of every red-blooded American

You might be technically right, but there's also possibly a larger chance you'll end up dead if you don't comply, and I think most people are not prepared to make that sacrifice.

Don't comply, maybe live to see freedom. Comply, live to die a captive another day.

Complying is like moving from the kitchen to the living room because the kitchen is on fire, then sitting down and pretending life is BAU.

You need to either fight the fire or GTFO, but pretending there is no fire will kill you all the same.

They’re eventually going to come for us all whether we resist or not (that’s just the nature of fascism), so it seems like an easy choice to me, but history tends to support your conclusion (though I hope we as a species are capable of learning from the past)

I'd argue history shows there are always those who keep fighting that make facist regimes impossible in the long term.

I believe that theory can be argued convincingly and tend to agree

Normally you’d be right but this is not that situation and I’m somewhat shocked you don’t realize it.

Just today ICE raided a target. Arrested US citizens at random including minors. Then pushed them from moving trucks onto the highway.

You need to understand what is happening. You think complying works? The social contract has been broken.

ICE isn't police.

ICE is federal law enforcement. You are not allowed to interfere in their operations when they are lawfully engaging in immigration enforcement activity. If you do, you will get arrested. This is just how the law works. They can't go after you for impeding traffic, but if you are interfering in their operations by impeding traffic, they can arrest you.

So just to be clear: You support ICE going door to door, breaking into American citizen's homes and asking them papers please, right? If said American tells them to fuck off they're interfering with federal law enforcement and do so under penalty of death?

People aren't resisting arrest. When you see people bloodied, beaten, permanently blinded by point blank non lethal weapons, or just shot in the face, that's because ICE / cops / CBP are doing it for their own personal enjoyment, and making sure the minimal amount of setup is there so they can claim they did nothing wrong. Cops finding excuses to kick the shit out of people who bother them is as old as policing itself. There's tens of thousands of accounts per year of this sort of thing, extreme examples being like Derek Chauvin, or more old school look up Abner Louima, but tons of garden variety cruelty every day, everywhere, done in the name of "fuck that asshole we're gonna fuck him up". The ICE version, run by fascist maniacs, is selecting for only the cruelest and most ideologically driven employees, but ICE had this reputation even before the current administration. It's just they have 80 billion dollars now to make it happen.

This guy would tell people to just comply with the Nazi back then. ICE behavior is not far from how the SS worked back then

The Germans explicitly called the resistance terrorists.

Amen.

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