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> These apps will continue receiving updates, with the latest versions adopting the beautiful new visual design language with Liquid Glass on all platforms

Are the Apple people really this oblivious, or is someone in PR trolling us?

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They don't have much of a choice. They bet the house on liquid glass and need to keep up appearances.

I think they just need to wait a bit and then present something more sensible as the new hot design.

> They bet the house on liquid glass

How? If they reverted to the previous iOS and macOS designs, Apple would go out of business?

Of course not, but I'd rephrase what the OP said as something more like "it's unrealistic to expect them to go 'hey, guess what, never mind about all that' after a half a year.

I think it's more realistic to expect that they're going to stick with a UI officially called "Liquid Glass" for the next decade, but it's going to go through some serious iterative changes in the next couple of years -- probably much more than it would have were Alan Dye still around.

God only knows how much money they invested into the new GUI engine for all their platforms. It was a super expensive bet.

> God only knows how much money they invested into the new GUI engine for all their platforms. It was a super expensive bet.

What are you basing these claims on?

Stop being so aggressive.

You can look at Apple’s own published consent regarding Liquid Glass development. It’s very evident that it was thoughtful and involved.

Topic of discussion was the price of developing and rolling back the new GUI, not how much thought Apple put in it.

The employees aren't thinking for free, making something "thoughtful and involved" is probably expensive, too.

When you are in a hole you can at least stop digging.

I read it less as obliviousness and more as internal language leaking into marketing. What’s “Liquid Glass” to Apple reads like an aesthetic system though but to outsiders it sounds like jargon inflation. I feel the gap between internal coherence and external clarity shows up in these releases a lot.

> like an aesthetic system

An idiotic aesthetic system that ignores all the human interface guidelines that the Apple of 30+ years ago helped start.

Pretty sure these marketing speak was decided half-an-year before. Sales and marketing just do their job

It sounds like internally it’s a checklist item they have to mention everywhere.

Yep, it's not trolling, it's just them doing the job. A well paid lawyer will defend a client even if they're guilty

A well paid lawyer defending a guilty client is upholding the Justice system. Every man has a right to a fair trial.

Apple wasting years of everyones time on bad faith UX design

You’ve never worked at BigCorp have you? At Amazon, part of the initial indoctrination when I was hired there was competitive messaging when talking to clients (I worked in ProServe) and what you were never allowed to say. I remember we could never say we had a “moat”.

I’m sure there is approved marketing copy.

I like the Liquid Glass design so this is a point for me.

Dear Apple, Please do not add liquid glass to your professional applications. Keep it simple, gray, performant, and functional. Thank you.

Doesn’t matter. The apps run on the OS, the latest hardware only runs the OS at the hardware release date and later. You’re getting the Fisher-Price UI whether you want it or not, even if the apps never change a thing.

Next version will probably "build on Liquid Glass", while moving away from it. At least that's my guess.

I guess it's enforced top-down. Yesterday I picked up my MacBook from a logicboard repair and they forced Tahoe on it despite running Sonoma originally so I spent most of yesterday getting rid of Tahoe and reverting back to Sonoma.

Sonoma won't receive updates for long any more. Better off switching to Sequoia. It'll give you 20 months to switch away, instead of 8 months.

Each new macOS version brings new restrictions causing some essential apps to stop working or work in a more complicated way so I keep delaying macOS upgrades as late as possible. macOS used to be an OS that lowered my cognitive complexity but that's no longer true these days due to security overreach.

As a macOS sysadmin I feel this in my bones, and of course I don't know what apps are essential for you, but FWIW Sequoia has been basically identical to Sonoma for me. In fact I had to double check what I was running on this computer before writing this because there's just no functional or aesthetic difference that I know of off the top of my head.

(And yes, I'm holding off on Sonoma for as long as possible because... yuck)

At least in the screenshots I did not notice absurdly large window corner radii.

Because every app is presented in fullscreen. Showing the windowing system would make sense if this was announced pre-LG.

Have you never had to toe a company line before?

someone in PR is trolling

the beatings with liquid glass will continue till morale improves

Apple no longer supports GL, so Liquid Glass - GL = Liquid Ass.

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