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They broadly probably didn't believe grocery prices would "go down", but they were also very angry about inflation. The polling reflected that economic issues topped voter motivations. Add to that the Biden administration hiding his dementia, and perceptions about illegal immigration and crime, and it wouldn't matter who the Republican candidate is.

This was part of a sweeping anti-incumbent sentiment that occurred globally. Kamala did ok with educated white voters, while black, hispanic and asian voters shifted right; do they all just hate brown people? I doubt it.

People have very little reason to be honest during polls, so I find them hard to believe. Polling data led to predictions about Hillary winning in 2016.

Even if there was a slight “shift right” in black and Asian voters, it was still kind of marginal.

According to Pew, about 83% of black voters still voted for Kamala, with 15% voting for Trump, and 60% of Asians voted for Kamala.

I can envision that much internalized racism in either of those groups, but even if that weren’t the case, there are lots of different races and they could convince themselves that “the other ones” are the bad ones, and Trump won’t hurt them. I do not think what you are saying dispels anything I said at all.

You've yet to provide any evidence to support your claim, so I have very little reason to entertain the idea that internalized racism motivated voters. Seems like motivated reasoning to me

Polls in aggregate are useful at sussing voter feelings, predicting actions is harder. Also, the shift was not that marginal. Certainly enough to help decide the election.

I am not entirely sure how I could provide evidence of internalized racism, so sure that’s more vibes based on my end. I am just saying that I do not think that “more POC voted for Trump so it couldn’t be racism!” is the slam dunk that you think it is.

I don’t think polls are useful at all if the questions involve anything embarrassing. If a pollster asked “why did you vote for Trump” almost no one is going to say “because I don’t like brown people”, especially when it’s trivial to come up with some contrived reasoning about the economy (even when it doesn’t make any sense).

You can thank the DNC for the appalling choices in federal elections, they decided it was best to mess around with race and gender quotas instead of putting forward genuine candidates.

So instead they voted for Trump?

That's like shooting your own foot off. He's always been this person. He was this person in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, etc. it's fucking crazy to me that anyone, ever, ever, votes for him. It's really opened my eyes to the realities of a lot of folks out there.

THANK YOU.

It’s so strange to me that anyone who knew anything about him even before he announced presidency didn’t find him to be completely insufferable and an objectively terrible businessman.

He has always been incapable of speaking without constantly trying to brag about himself or bitching about how things aren’t his fault, and even before the infamous “grab her by the pussy” tape came out it was already pretty well known that he was a perv.

I do not know how he got any traction. Except, you know, he became even more outwardly racist.

"Look what you made me do", the motto of voters with no agency.

Quotas vs Zero Policy Coherence is your takeaway?

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