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The TPM was never designed to be the only holder of a key that cannot be reset. The idea was that it prevents you from typing in a password or reseting an attestation signature in a database for 99% of boots, but if certain things in the boot process change (as determined by the firmware, the CPU, the OS, and the application using the TPM) it’s designed to lock you out so those things cannot change without anyone’s notice.

For that purpose they’re pretty good, though there are advantages to a more signature-oriented boot security option like Apple’s Secure Enclave. But that only works so well because Apple simply doesn’t permit altering parts of the macOS boot process. For Windows/Linux, you have a variety of hardware, firmware, and OS vendors all in the mix and agreeing on escrow of keys for all of them is hard.

The presumption is that the contents being secured are /so/ valuable that locking my device is preferable to any leak of them whatsoever.

This is military level security and just isn't appropriate for most consumers. Particularly around something so rarely exercised and utilized by users as the boot process. A simple warning with a long timeout would have sufficed.

Aside from that you have a hardware vendor, sourced into an integrated product from another vendor, sold to a user, with various third party software interacting with it. This was always going to result in questionable experiences for end users.

A warning doesn’t help at all. The main threat model for FDE is that someone steals your device and dumps the disk. If you don’t protect the boot process somehow, then you’re just storing the encryption key next to the data.

If you don’t care about that (which is not “military level security”, laptop thieves stealing creds is a thing), just don’t use FDE or use it with an on-boot password every time. No point in the theater.

> laptop thieves stealing creds is a thing

Two factor is a thing. FDE is such a 1990s idea.

Wow. That’s a new one. Where exactly do you think the authentication tokens you obtain using 2FA are stored?

Whether by design or accident, this is correct.

You backup a key or key creation mechanism or whatever elsewhere somewhere very safe.

Then almost never touch it, as the TPM authenticates.

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