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Someday it will be your country and yourself, and nobody will be outraged anymore, because everybody is the same. Stop this cycle and organize, instead of separating like-minded people with useless lines, standing aside and shouting about how things should be, in your opinion, and how everyone else should do... something, because you know better than insiders.

Repeat after me: individuals are not systems.

Organize for what? Protests? And the administration would care about it why, exactly?

You know that justification in support of access to firearms in the US- "we need to be armed in case our government goes rogue". I always thought it was BS, but in case it's not, maybe this is the time.

The problem is that there's no "we". Tens of millions of Americans support the Trump regime and its actions in Venezuela. Coincidentally, they are also the ones who have most of those firearms.

The specific Americans you speak of mostly care about domestic issues and trend isolationist. They'll perhaps be slightly peeved anytime we intervene overseas, but they'll certainly overlook it while they get what they want at home.

I doubt they care (or know) about Venezuela.

Also I think the number is hundreds of millions, not tens.

I'm referring specifically to the people who support the military action in Venezuela, which is a subset of those who voted for Trump. Like you say, most of them care mainly about domestic issues. However there is a crowd that is all in on Trump and supports whatever he does - you can see them cheering even here in the comments - those are the tens of millions that I'm speaking of. It's still way too many, unfortunately.

Thanks for answering my question and imploring me to drone some mantra (I counter with: everything is a system, my dog is a system), and I'll guess I have to wait for New Zealand to do some invading.

sigh Nevermind, it's obviously way too much to ask for a simple answer to a simple question after being strawmanned.

Tomorrow the Venezuelans are going to work and the Ukrainians are going to hide in a bomb shelter. It's not really the same.

Then maybe we should provide a lot of weapons to Venezuelans so that they can fight back- this will make sure that they won't go to work tomorrow.

Fight back whom? US is already out with "no further action" planned according to Rubio.

Do you understand that the difference in the Ukrainian case is literally caused by the actions of Western countries?

Venezuelans are going to work tomorrow because no one has provided their corrupt dictatorial government with hundreds of billions of dollars in military and financial aid?

The difference is that Russia's goal is the annexation of most or all Ukrainian territory, the looting of the country and the erasure of its national identity. Without western support, Ukraine would be in a much worse state than it is now.

Whatever US goals are, it seems they are not pushing forward after snatching Maduro.

> Without western support, Ukraine would be in a much worse state than it is now.

No, that doesn't seem to be true.

Yeah, sure, if they did not get support they would have dies already and look what peaceful place this graveyard is. Slight hiperbole, not everyone would be dead, but a lot, for sure, and the rest, too scared they would be next to do anything else.

I think they would have lost long ago and would have had many times fewer losses in dead and wounded.

Literally anything except answering the single, simple question... so we've had strawmanning, now whataboutism, which logical fallacy is next?

I have a friend from Venezuela (living in EU), and I remember how sad he was that Maduro was „elected”.

Unlike Ukraine, Maduro wasn’t elected democratically, so „unelecting” him through force is not as terrible.

> Silent downvoting intensifies, because of course it does

I downvoted specifically because of this

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