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> Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide.

Apartheid is race based discrimination, not citizenship based like what happens in Israel/Palestine. Making an accusation of genocide does not mean there actually is a genocide.

> Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible.

Comparing the holocaust(an actual genocide) as something "equally vile and reprehensible" to the situation in Israel/Palestine is equivalent to a form of holocaust denial IMO.

Claims like these are a rather overt display of antisemitic propaganda.[0]

> Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below.

There is a long list of organizations that have thrown away their credibility with dubious accusations for various reasons.

> The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on communities like Hacker News which are supposed to be "smart", is because of decades of the West being brainwashed to the point where Islamophobia is normalized and ubiquitous.

It seems you're trying to downplay the very real threat from Islamic extremists that Israel faces.

[0] https://www.ajc.org/news/the-gaza-auschwitz-comparison-a-mor...

How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that? You trust Amnesty and the UN?

The sign of a brainwashed person is to equate this occupation with Islamic terrorism. Unfortunately, you have fallen to propaganda by even bringing that up. Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully for hundreds of years prior to 1948. There has been nothing but respect between those two religions going back for as long as one can remember. The change is Zionism. That’s what the problem is, not radical Islam or radical Judaism. Zionism != Judaism.

> How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that?

Why would I blindly trust the conclusions of "international organizations"? Especially ones that have shown themselves to have very little integrity?

> You trust Amnesty and the UN?

The same Amnesty international that has shown to have serious issues with bias across multiple conflicts?[0][1]

The same UN which has thrown away essentially all of their credibility when it comes to anything related to Israel?[2]

Obviously I would never blindly trust these organizations.

> The sign of a brainwashed person is to equate this occupation with Islamic terrorism.

There is an occupation because the Palestinians have refused to negotiate a final peace agreement, Israel clearly can not unilaterally end the occupation as they did in 2005 with Gaza and expect a positive outcome.

> Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully for hundreds of years prior to 1948.

Where have they lived together peacefully as equals for hundreds of years prior to 1948?

> There has been nothing but respect between those two religions going back for as long as one can remember.

There's a long history of conflict between Jews and Muslims throughout the years, obviously in recent years it has been worse in a lot of ways.[3][4]

> The change is Zionism. That’s what the problem is, not radical Islam or radical Judaism. Zionism != Judaism.

So Jews wanting to have a state where they wouldn't have to live as second class citizens[5] and have a right to self determination was the problem? Why would it be so hard for Muslims to accept the existence of a Jewish majority state when there are plenty of Muslim majority states?

After the holocaust it's entirely reasonable that Jews would reject being forced to live as a minority in a Muslim majority state.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/amnesty-intern...

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/ngos-anti-...

[2] https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

Alright, good luck with doing your own “research”. You’re in the same category of conspiracy theorists as MAGA. Nothing I can say will change your mind.

I'm not the one effectively denying the holocaust.

Every accusation is a confession.

You’re not “effectively” denying it. You’re just denying it.

> Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible.

You stated what Israel is doing is as "equally vile and reprehensible" as the holocaust, this is an absolutely insane comparison.

The Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, they wiped out something like half the worldwide population of Jews...on the other hand during the Israeli occupation the Palestinian population over the years has increased drastically.

The holocaust has very little in common with the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and one certainly can't realistically claim Israel doesn't have the military means to exterminate the Palestinians if they wanted to either. Israel clearly doesn't have that sort of genocidal intent towards Palestinians. You can probably make an argument that some of the more extremist elements in Israel want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians but that's not remotely equivalent to the holocaust.

By making this comparison you're effectively denying the holocaust by downplaying it and saying it's somehow equivalent to the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Making this comparison is a well known antisemitic trope.

> Apartheid is race based discrimination,

Which is exactly what Israel is. They literally have a term for it: "birthright"

Israel has been committing genocide for 80 years. No amount of tossing around the fake term of "antisemitism" is going to change that.

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