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For what I use them for, the LLM market has become a two player game, and the players are Anthropic and Google. So I find it quite interesting that OpenAI is still the default assumption of the leader.

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Only in HN and some reddit subs I even see the name claude. In many countries AI=ChatGPT.

And at one point in the 90s, Internet=Netscape Navigator.

I see Google doing to OpenAI today what Microsoft did to Netscape back then, using their dominant position across multiple channels (browser, search, Android) to leverage their way ahead of the first mover.

That's funny, the way I see it is Microsoft put tens of billions of dollars behind an effort to catch Google on the wrong foot, or at least make Google look bad, but they backed the wrong guy and it isn't quite going to make it to orbit.

From what I've seen, 99% of people are using the free version of ChatGPT. Those who are using Claude are on the subscription, very often the $100/month one.

ChatGPT dominates the consumer market (though Nano Banana is singlehandedly breathing some life into consumer Gemini).

A small anecdote: when ChatGPT went down a few months ago, a lot of young people (especially students) just waited for it to come back up. They didn't even think about using an alternative.

When ChatGPT starts injecting ads or forcing payment or doing anything else that annoys its userbase then the young people won't have a problem looking for alternatives

This "moat" that OpenAI has is really weak

They took early steps to do so (ads) just recently. User response was as you'd expect.

That's pretty nuts. With the models changing so much and so often, you have to switch it up sometimes just to see what the other company is offering.

How often do you or people you know use a search engine other than google?

That is different because all of the players I mentioned have credible, near-leading products in the AI model market, whereas nobody other than Google has search results worth a damn. I wouldn't recommend anyone squander their time by checking Kagi or DDG or Bing more than once.

I don't use google. Believe it or not, I get better results via Bing (usually via DDG, which is a frontend for Bing). But I asked the rhetorical question expecting the answer you gave. These people use ChatGPT only for the same reason you exclusively use Google.

Right, that's consistent with what I said if you re-read it. Search isn't changing. If you are happy with your search you would be wasting your time to shop around.

The consumer market is a loss leader.

codex cli with gpt-5.2-codex is so reliably good, it earns the default position in my book. I had cancelled my subscription in early 2024 but started back up recently and have been blown away at how terse, smart, and effective it is. Their CLI harness is top-notch and it manages to be extremely efficient with token usage, so the little plan can go for much of the day. I don’t miss Claude’s rambling or Gemini’s random refactorings.

Interestingly Claude is so far down in traffic it's below things like CharacterAI, it's the best model but it's something like 70% ChatGPT, 10% Gemini and Claude is only 1% or so

What do you use them for?

GPT5.2 Codex is the best coding model right now in benchmarks. I use it exclusively now.

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