When someone says "it still means zero" about Tamil when responding to comments about Arabic, two languages which have no shared root and little similarity, what does that mean?
I think it means HN is full of misleading ideas.
I think it means HN is full of misleading ideas.
We use “arabic” numerals around the world. So use of an Arabic loan word is unsurprising.
Fact - Origin of Numerals and Mathematical Zero: Mathematical zero and numerals were not discovered/invented by the Arabs. There is no such thing as "Arabic" numerals because the Arabs did NOT invent numerals or cipher (to represent emptiness and/or mathematical zero).
The Arabs learnt the concept & use of mathematical zero, numerals, decimal system, complex mathematical calculations (including the subjects we call today as Algebra, Calculus, Trignometry), etc. from the ancient Hindus/Indians. And from the Arabs, the Europeans learnt it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system
Persian scholar Al Khwarizmi translated and used the Hindu/Indian numerals (including concept of mathematical zero) and "Sulba Sutras" (Hindu/Indian methods of mathematical problem solving) into the text Al-Jabr, which the Europeans translated as "Algebra" (yup, that branch of mathematics that all schoolkids worldwide learn from kindergarten).
Origin trivia: Originating from the Sanskrit word for zero शून्य (śuṇya), via the Arabic word صفر (ṣifr), the word "cipher" spread to Europe as part of the Arabic numeral system during the Middle Ages. https://www.etymonline.com/word/cipher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipher#Etymology
Fun fact: The Sanskrit word for mathematical zero and emptiness/voidness is the same: Shunya (शून्य). In fact, mathematicians are of the opinion that ancient Indians were among the first to understand the concept of mathematical zero because they understood the meaning of empty/void (Shunyata). Dhyana (meditation by focusing on voidness/stillness, away from random intrusive thoughts) is an aspect of Yoga (world's oldest active fitness discipline).
Another fun fact: The world's oldest recorded cipher (as an example of cryptography/ encryption) is the ancient Indian epic Ramayana by Maharshi Valmiki. It has 24000 verses (Sanskrit shlokas), and the first syllable (akshara) of each 1000th verse/shloka forms a series of 24 syllables that form the sacred Sri Gayatri Mantra.
Proofs of oldest records mathematical zero being of Indian origin, are available..
https://thebetterindia.com/270912/chaturbhuj-temple-in-gwali...
World's oldest known evidence of Mathematical Zero and numerals - ancient inscription on wall of Chaturbhuj temple in Gwalior, India.
https://www.glam.ox.ac.uk/article/carbon-dating-finds-bakhsh...
Bakhshali manuscript (stored in Oxford) from ancient India/Bharat - is the world's oldest text having Mathematical Zero and equations.
World should know the vital mathematical concepts & representations of numerals, decimal system, binary system, algebra, calculus, trigonometry, etc. we know and use today are originated from Indian/Hindu texts and scholars.
Both Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz claimed to be The Father of Calculus, but reality is that they likely learnt it from maths-savvy Jesuit missionaries who themselves simply carried the knowledge of Calculus to Europe from its source: The Kerala School of Mathematics from Malabar, India.
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/news/indians-predated-new...
Wikipedia used to mention that the "Arabic" numerals are originated from "Hindu" numerals, but I see that origin has been removed from Wikipedia. It is sad when historical truths are hidden from the world, and mistruths are propagated instead.
By the way, Tamil and Sanskrit are the oldest extant (active) languages in the world.
However, in the Ancient World the use of zero and positional numbers was restricted to some special applications, e.g. in astronomical tables, and it was unknown for most of the people.
The most novel feature of the Indian system was the application of the positional principle to decimal numbers, instead of sexagesimal numbers, and not the use of zero, which did not differ much from how it was used earlier.
The Indian numerals also covered all the basic numeral digits and fit perfectly into the decimal system (which was also invented by the ancient Indians - they primarily used it for measuring weights, especially for currency/trade). The word meter/metre (from Sanskrit "miti") is also of Indian origin. The mathematical zero also fits in perfectly with binary system, also an ancient Indian invention.
The ancient Babylonians did use a dot/period as symbol of zero, but there is no information on whether they also associated zero with voidness/emptiness which the ancient Indians certainly did.
It can be argued that the ancient Babylonians and Indians independently discovered the concept of mathematical zero, and rest of the world learnt such basic concepts from them gradually, Interestingly, while even modern science+mathematics only uses big numbers to a certain extent, the ancient Indian Jain's & Hindus were doing computations of up to 10^32! Hindu cosmology even calculates time up to 10^15, and knows about multiverse, whereas modern science calculates Time only upto billions of years (10^9) and only recently started acknowledging the possibility of multiverse (as it is only explanation of what existed before the Big Bang), I i.e. Time is cyclical, and universes are birthed (Big Bang), grow (expand), decay (collapse) and shrink back to the Infinitesimal Dot again).
So it is a shame that ancient India's contributions to mathematics and other fields (e.g., geography, surgeries, medical tools, metallurgy, etc.) are unknown and ignored by most of the world, and the credits for such knowledge were stolen.
Did you know?.. India built and managed the world's first universities, in Takshashila and Nalanda, which has lots of diverse subjects/disciplines being taught and researched. The Arabs/Turks later invaded, looted and destroyed these amazing universities and their priceless treasure trove of books (the libraries were so huge that the arson fires burnt for months). The ruins of these ancient pioneering repositories of knowledge still stand as mute witnesses to their glorious knowledge-sharing past.
Arabic -> Tamil <- Arabic - Sanskrit
What does it mean when someone creates a new account for posting contradictory comments?
Sushi is now an English word. So is hummus, etc.
Eyeballing the Wikipedia page, and out of the only scripts I could read, I counted 72 languages that used a direct transcription of "sushi". It isn’t as much a superpower as a thing languages do in general.