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> You criticize society and yet you participate in it. How curious.

I didn't criticize society though?

Ah... the old "all or nothing" fallacy, which in this case quickly leads to "save the planet, kill yourself". We need more nuance.

What is the nuance? Let us know.

What are his hobbies? Let’s pit them against training LLMs in value and pollution rate.

No you’re just deflecting his points with an ad hominem argument. Stop pretending to assume what he ‘truly feels’.

I don't even know who Rob Pike is to be honest. I'm not attacking him.

I'm not pretending to know how he feels. I'm just reading between the lines and speculating.

Maybe you should do some basic research instead of speculating. Rob Pike is not just some random software developer who might worry about his job.

I was just accused of ad hominem. Now you want me to get accused of appeal to authority?

No, the point is that your speculations simply do not make sense for someone like Rob. He is not a random software engineer in some company and also he is retired.

I’m basing this purely on what he said, not who he is. I think that’s the best way to judge this thread. Regardless, I was accused of ad hominem and you want me to appeal to authority.

Sometimes HN is weird.

You've made baseless assumptions about his "true" feelings. If you did some basic research, you would have quickly realized that your speculations were way off. This is about context, not about authority.

I already said many times that I was reading between the lines and it was speculation.

You keep asking me to appeal to authority. No thanks.

It is what it is. To me, it’s clear that he wants things to go back to pre ChatGPT because that’s the world he’s familiar with and that’s the world he has most power.

Otherwise, he wouldn’t make such idiotic claims.

> You keep asking me to appeal to authority.

I don't. I just asked to do some research instead of indulging in wild speculation.

> because that’s the world he’s familiar with and that’s the world he has most power.

Again, just baseless speculation. Rob had a very prolific where he worked on foundational technologies like programming language design. He is now retired. What kind of power would he be afraid to lose?

Would you at least consider the possibility that his ethical concerns might be sincere?

  I don't. I just asked to do some research instead of indulging in wild speculation.

You are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

  An argument from authority[a] is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority figure (or figures) is used as evidence to support an argument.[1] The argument from authority is often considered a logical fallacy[2] and obtaining knowledge in this way is fallible.[3][4]

  Again, just baseless speculation. Rob had a very prolific where he worked on foundational technologies like programming language design. He is now retired. What kind of power would he be afraid to lose?

Clout? Historical importance? Feeling like people are forgetting him? If he didn't care about any of this, he wouldn't have a social media account.

I'm not saying that Rob is right because of his achievements. I'm only saying that your speculations in your original post are ridiculous considering Rob's career and personal situation.

> Clout? Historical importance? Feeling like people are forgetting him?

Even more speculation.

Just in case you are not aware: there are many people who really think that what the big AI companies are doing is unethical. Rob may be one of them.

Stop appealing to authority. Just argue about facts and what was said.

You also keep accusing me of speculation but I already mentioned multiple times that it’s speculation. I never said it’s not speculation. It’s you who can’t make a coherent come back argument except to tell me to research and then respect him.

It's you who didn't look up some facts before posting. Please read your original post and then tell me how it possibly relates to Rob's situation.

> You also keep accusing me of speculation but I already mentioned multiple times that it’s speculation.

Yes, you mentioned it yourself, but you don't seem to understand the problem with it.

You mean you can't critize certain parts of society unless you live like a hermite?

> Obviously, it's just what I'm seeing.

Have you considered that this may just be a rationalization on your part?

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