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Tangentially related... Is it just me, but is Wayland still lagging behind X11? From things like window placement, night light, etc. Things seem to work just out of the box in X11, and there are always issues in Wayland.

(For me this is specifically on Fedora, and I always switch back to X11 from Wayland.)

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Well, isn't this compositor related? I've never had any window placement issues running Sway (i3 for Wayland). I never used night light on that machine, so I can't comment on that particular point, but the thing seems to work just as well as i3.

The only problem I have is with JetBrains IDEs, which seem to have shaky support. They're usable (meaning you can code), but the experience is so wonky that I basically consider they don't support Wayland.

The reason I switched from i3/x11 is that we've got some 27" 5k screens at work that are basically useless at 100%, and Sway handles different scaling settings flawlessly (except for IntelliJ, which seems lost).

Wayland intellij ide support is in the works, IDEs support X11 out of the box, but you can enable Wayland support explicitly (just search for it).

As per Windows placement, Firefox won't restore windows on original positions supposedly because of Wayland, somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

Intellij kinda supports Wayland, but it gets confused when using scaling, at least when not all screens have the same factor. It's not blurry or anything, but it's slower, and the menus sometimes appear in random places.

When I only use a scaling factor of 1 on all the screens, it's usable enough, although it still feels sluggish.

You are not wrong. But there is a new extension protocol on the way (dunno if done, very probably not rolled out if it is) that let programs solve this problem.

Uh, there are plenty of extensions. Session management perhaps? In experimental state.

Uh, was thinking of one that explicitly deals with window positioning of new windows.

Using kde on Wayland for a while now, on a Nvidia card (debian trixie, just upgraded to forky a week ago), and i can't relate to any of those issues. My only complaint is a silly kernel module warning that pollutes my syslog.

At this point it is just you.

I run two different distributions myself, I know a bunch o people on even more different distributions, set of configuration and based on empirical analysis I can assure you that no one has problem with windows placement.

Out of the box I used have more problem with X11 (tearing and font rendering being the most annoyingly common ones) than I have with Wayland.

It's not just him, but for something else. HiDPI, Ubuntu 24.04, try OnlyOffice or VMWare Workstation. Both don't scale well. I assume other applications also don't scale well. Had to use X. And the scaling isn't even fractional, it's 2x.

It's not just him. I've had issues with windows popping up on the wrong display and also their scaling. Works without issue on X11; and I don't even know where to start looking on Wayland.

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