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Comment by Krasnol | Hacker News Reader

Is there any prove for Googles influence on their development you outline here?

Google pay Mozilla hundreds of millions of dollars each year to place Google as the default browser. It's by far their biggest income stream. In 2023 it was reported as 75% of their revenue.

There's no world in which 75% of your revenue coming from Google doesn't influence what you do. Even if it's not the main driver of all decisions, pissing off Google is a huge risk for them.

Soooo...there isn't.

If the plaintiff pays 500 million to the judge and the defendant goes to jail, there's no proof that the judge wouldn't have made the same decision without the 500 million. If you're a fool, you'll sneer and ask "Where's the proof?"

Why would there be any proof?

Well if you bring up law how about: innocent until proven guilty?

Google is not bribing Mozilla...they probably keep them alive to avoid all kinds of monopoly lawsuits. With their market share however, you would need more prove to justify further conspiracies...

Large sums of money are typically how we measure influence in the modern day.

Too bad we're not interested in prove before we're condemning anyone in those modern days...

There's proof of financial dependence, here's a recent report https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-202...

In 2021 they got $500M "royalties" (this is their payment from Google) with only $75k revenue from all other sources, including $7.5k donations.

The document you linked mentions $50M in advertising/subscription revenue.

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