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Windows 11 is pretty great though, it keeps all the good ideas from 10 and improves on them. I don't get the hate.

It's a buggy mess that harasses you. I understand the hate.

This morning I got three screens asking if I wanted to log in and configure backup. There is still not an option to say no, only ask me later.

Last week the top half of the taskbar disappeared for an evening.

The "Lets do it Later" trend of UI is one of the things i hate most about modern UI. Why cant i just say no, instead i have to say no to 10 different menus.

Not respecting a no is usually something very very bad people do.

Yes, I'm pretty sure not respecting "no" is a sign of abuse in a relationship. So is being told "no" but changing it to "yes" anyway.

I'm logged in to my Microsoft account, so I've not seen any of that.

The only thing that I recall popping up is those setup screens that appear after some updates for no good reason.

I also don't recall any particularly buggy experience with Windows 11.

Meanwhile my Mac mini M2 Pro is having issues all the time. From the start I could not even use my second monitor without turning off and back on the primary monitor first for the second to come on.

I get that moving the Start menu to the middle gives you a very "Iron Man in the command chair" type feeling on large monitors/multiple screens, where you spin off windows to the left and right...but is super annoying on a smaller monitor

I don't want to use a Microsoft account. I don't want to use Secure Boot. I don't want the new right click menu (good idea, bad execution). I don't want the new start menu (I want the Windows 7 one if anything). I don't want my OS calling home. I don't want AI. I don't want ads.

I went to Linux instead. I got what I wanted there.

What ideas did 10 have that weren't just purely technical updates (i.e. DX12 and the like), and weren't just undoing what Windows 8 did?

My parents older windows 10 laptop was getting slow and battery wasn't great.

They bought a new windows 11 laptop from Costco for $600. Yes cheap, but not total garbage.

Tried using it for a few weeks. Worse performance that their 6 year old similarly cheap laptop running windows 10.

Returned new computer. I installed Linux Mint Mate and bought an Chinese battery for $30. Laptop better than new.

Great for ... shareholders? Because you can't possibly be talking about users. Windows is an OS that forces cloud logins, tracks and records every interaction, steals email credentials, shoves ads and full screen nags everywhere, sabotages competing software, turns perfectly good hardware into e-waste, and won't take no for an answer from users. It serves the interest of billionaires, not common people.

For paying users, this is the definition of an unmitigated disaster. Windows 11 expands on all of the worst aspects of Windows 10. Inconsistent UI, duplicated settings, two context menus, laggy start menu with React in it, and on and on and on the list goes. It's obvious why people hate it.

No other OS has shown this much level of outright contempt towards its users. Modern Windows is, without doubt, the worst desktop OS to ever exist in the history of computing.

Don't forget the greatly reduced hardware support in return for no actual new features. It's a rat trap with no cheese on it.

> it keeps all the good ideas from 10 and improves on them.

Are there any good ideas in Windows 10 ?

Volume mixer

Volume mixer has been around at least since Windows 7. Maybe earlier but I don't remember.

I'm with you. I've used Windows 11 as my primary work OS since release and it is absolutely quicker than Windows 10 and nicer to use. I do, however, debloat it and remove all the cruft when I install it.

23H2 was pretty close to being solid and stable but 24H2 has been a disaster.

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