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I think a number of lawsuits are in progress of teaching them that particular lesson.

Still waiting for anything resembling a penalty, been a long time now. 5 years?

I'm just wondering what gives HN, Reddit etc the right to our comments?

If anyone owns this comment it's me IMO. So I don't see any reason why HN should be able to sue anyone for using this freely available information.

With Reddit, at least it's the legal agreement you enter into them by creating an account and using it.

But that is not nessesarily enforceable in every region.

Apparently, very little is enforceable anywhere, based on what the tech companies have been getting away with.

So they own my comments because they said so.

No, they own it because you said so. You "provide them with a global, non-revocable license to do things with the content you submit" as per the agreement you accepted. You're not required to enter into this agreement, this was a totally optional thing you opted to do.

And they own the platform. And then you came to the platform (with those rules), and wrote your comment on it. So you agreed to the rules.

At least that is what the TOS usually says. You can always get around that by making your own service or the like.

Think of it like visiting a foreign country. Like it or not, their rules apply one way or another. If they can enforce them, anyway.

Yeah I get it.

I just don't understand the public outrage. Why is everyone so worried about this? I write stuff knowing it's publicly available, and I don't give a crap about HN or Reddit or whomever's claims to my writings.

As far as I'm concerned it's all public domain, so what if OpenAI trains on it? Why should that bother me? I just don't understand, it really just feels like a witch hunt, like everyone just wants to hate AI companies and they'll jump on any bandwagon that's against them no matter how nonsensical it is.

If you got replaced at the job you needed by ‘AI’, isn’t it salt in the wound that they used your comments that you wrote without it in mind (in part) to do it?

Why wouldn’t someone be mad about that?

Most of the time they are hardly penalties and look more like rounding errors to these companies

Not sure it's clear they will learn anything.... My impression was they were winning or settling these suits

But is that a reason to keep doing it? Is the penalty the only reason people hold back on doing bad stuff?

(Violation of HN Terms & Conditions || Violation of copyright) != "bad stuff"

(Violation of HN Terms & Conditions || Violation of copyright) = Potential penalty

(Violation of HN Terms & Conditions || Violation of copyright) - Potential penalty = Unsane Profits

So the equation still balances for them to not give a damn

Isn’t that basically how societies work? Different penalties, but some kind of penalties enforcing the boundaries of that society?

Not everyone agree over some things being bad

Does profit outweigh the penalty?

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