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Another factor in being competitive in artificial intelligence is the price of electricity, which is four times higher in the EU than in the US. Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians).

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I think there are plenty of ways to provide cheaper green power in Europe, if it is permitted.

In general, I don't understand the need to colocate data centers with the companies programming them - I'm sure there are many jurisdictions other than the US or EU that could spin up cheaper power.

To start, EU data protection laws make it almost impossible to store customer PII overseas or send it to overseas data centers for inference.

And as an EU citizen I like that they do. After all this is what they are for.

interesting. sounds like the EU is getting the growth trajectory its voters desire, then - best of luck!

Oh no, I live more years, work less hours, and breathe cleaner air, but unfortunately line goes up slightly less than in the US of A.

The reason why you live more years and work less hours is because you are not milked out of enough of that sweet GDP juice.

Big if true and not clear if it's good news or bad news.

Who's going to pay your pension. Hopefully you have 10 kids. They all want free money, no work, more perks. But who pays for it... maybe "the state". We're pricing ourselves out of the market and guys like the one above clap. Crazy world.

Who is going to pay the pension for 60-70% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck with not even US$ 1000 in the bank for emergencies?

completely false that 60-70% of americans live paycheck to paycheck. you cannot take self-reported survey data like that seriously, the median net worth in the US is something like $200k - there are plenty of people with hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank claiming to live paycheck to paycheck here.

given that we are already seeing serious strain for some european pension systems, i don’t think this is a very strong comparison

As the other comment mentioned, remove 401k from the equation and it's much more dire. I don't include my Swedish tjänstepension when calculating my net worth even though it's quite similar to a 401k.

It's not really true though. Home equity is a different story though

> the median net worth in the US is something like $200k

Only because it takes into account 401Ks.

Who even cares about that? We're not discussing Americans at all.

While everybody is fixated on fertility rate, the actual thing important for pensions is the pyramid. And the demographics pyramid of the EU (West of it least) looks pretty ok (not great, not terrible) from 20 y.o upwards. It's not sustainable forever and it rubs the fascists the wrong way for obvious reasons, but it's not even half that bad that the 1.20 number makes you imagine.

It's also very much possible this is a transitive thing and not the new settled norm.

Incels in their 20s already scream they feel mistreated and don't want to hold the social construct. Let's fix the pyramid by importing more people on boats. Maybe they'll work for us.

Thanks. It feels refreshing to see fascists hiding behind throwaways again.

You’re absolutely adorable—and it’s obvious you’ve already got it all figured out.

Have you expected otherwise? What does the commoner gain from having there PII in the hands of large surveillance companies? In my expectation people that are not oblivious to that issue and don't have stake in such a company would be for such a regulation.

> Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians).

I’m sure like with everything “green” they can get around having to use cheaper, dirty energy by buying enough indulgences^w carbon offsets.

Depending on the class of carbon offset, I think the comparison with indulgences is unnecessarily critical when it actually does net fewer emissions.

The comparison is spot on -- if you smoke sigs and pay somebody who doesn't, you will still get cancer and the other person can get it too if you breath it out into their face.

Until there is no commercial carbon capture, it's all scam and accounting tricks. Sure, paying somebody else to decarbonise instead of yourself works in decarbonisign somebody else, but the emissions should drop across the board all the way to zero.

> The comparison is spot on -- if you smoke sigs and pay somebody who doesn't, you will still get cancer and the other person can get it too if you breath it out into their face.

Right - carbon emissions aren't internalized in the same way as cigarettes.

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