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Comment by snthpy | Hacker News Reader

Why is that? Does Chinese company really equal Chinese government?

Basically yes. China doesn't have a democracy, and it's government isn't bound by it's laws. If CCP thinks deepseek or any other product/tech can be a beneficial to Chinese strategy they will come knocking, and there's no denying whatever they demand. It can be backdooring, data harvesting, etc, there's really no saying how far they might go.

The same could be said of any LLM offered by either Chinese, European, US, etc.

On the other hand at least you can self host their models. My university now has an inference cluster for students and faculty to use open source models.

Maybe if you're using their site directly, but what about the open models?

Well, not using the site probably means that you're avoiding the mini-LLMs powdered before and after the main LLM to provide filters (including some layers of censorship) and the system prompt.

So I guess it depends on how deep the bias sits. And that is something that may vary with time. Grok has been a good example of this, with the bias initially being introduced as system prompts, then apparently moved to synthetic data used to train the further generations of Grok.

Ok, good points. Thanks

Probably, as much as US company equals US government.

lol. is that really a question? even for american companies look who's at the board of those companies...

Fair enough. I'm just sick of the reflexive anti-Chinese hysteria. I wouldn't want to live there personally and condemn the human rights abuses as much as the next guy. However in international politics it's clear who the two largest terrorist regimes have been over the last fifty years and yet they're still somehow held up as the good guys.

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