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He's a former minister who graduated college in Bible studies. As unpalatable it might be to you, his views are perfectly in line with a strong christian believer from the midwest. So I don't really see a need to bring that up when we're discussing his technical videos. It's not like he lectures you about abortion at the end of a raspberry pi video...

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I disagree. Someone with these views on humanity should not have a platform. They should be shamed and shunned. They should not be an "influencer" (however minor).

Look, I grew up in a cult too (the Baptist flavor). I also grew out of it mostly unscathed. He's a grown-ass man that still believes these truly heinous things. He has not grown as person. Or addressed his ignorance. And he's never retracted or apologized for his hateful views.

Which... it's his right. He can be an asshole. But people should be informed and, like I said, he should be shunned and shamed.

No one should be shunned and shamed for their worldview.

As wrong as they may be, shunning and shaming are also wrong-headed (in my worldview).

Edit: I think it's fine to respectfully share your concerns about him though.

I'd say read some history on effective non-carceral and non-violent ways to deal with hateful people: shunning and shaming is the best option. It lets hateful people live their lives in a bubble if that's what they want. But also gives them a chance to address their abhorrent views, make amends, and become part of a large community again.

But you have to understand history to know that.

How did shunning and shaming 40% of the US population over the last 4 years work out?

Hmm, it never worked well for me. People just get more entrenched and resentful? What I have found works is to try and find some common ground and build up some level of mutual respect from there.

For example, I also grew up in a cult of southern baptist flavour. I've seen some fucked up shit too. Where the cult was a majority, they did a lot of shunning and shaming and that sucked. I just don't think that's right.

And why should we make the effort when they make none?

Rule of the biggest tribe with the biggest sticks still applies even today I suppose.

But one day...religion is dying out, slowly but surely. I can't wait for the day when the religious have to face what they dished out. I have no patience to teach people that who I am isn't worthy of death or admonishment again and again.

You cannot find common ground with someone whose world view is you are a subhuman worthy of slavery or death.

yelling at idiots idiots never work. Doing so imprint a snapshot of whatever they were doing deeper into their brains. Our brains take intersections of the zipped archives of situation logs and turn that into reproducible scripted acts. Negative emotions associated with the memory won't help the brain unlearn undesired behaviors, it just makes us sadder or angrier at scripted points.

A better, but painful, way is to somehow break the chain of undesired acts until they would be obsessed with better things to do.

Maybe there are even better ways at it and I'm mostly wrong about this - I had never taken any training to be a behavioral scientist - but my point is, point-and-screaming wrong things someone did never goes well.

But aren't you shunning OP for their view that his homophobia and misogyny is wrong and he shouldn't be supported for that reason?

As a gay man I was looking forward to reading this article because the topic sounds interesting. I'll go to war about this every chance I get.

Oh, so good religion is to hate gays, fine. Well my religion is to hate Christians and I'll secretly support and lobby for their rights to be taken away, I'll lend my voice to all the others so we can shout that Christians should not exist. Fair is fair, right?

It’s the new reality. CEO of proton says something nice about Trump? Facist! Framework is interested in DHH’s work? Cancelled! And there are countless of these example (ie in the Nix community).

As if nothing good they did matters anymore.

There seem to be a lot of people just digging to find dirt on anyone and shame anyone in their vicinity. People that don’t do anything good themselves often.

There are lines you should not cross if you want to not support Nazis. It's actually a really bright line, and supporting Trump or DHH given his recent very public posts about his white supremacy shows that you are basically not a person who is affected by the problems both of those people create when you say "as if nothing good they did matters anymore" - simply put once you throw in with a white supremacist your reputation is going to be exploded into tatters, there's no "oopsie" about it.

Idk, it’s more subtle. I bet you couldn’t use Linux anymore because probably some horrible devs contributed to it.

What irks me most is the the second order shaming of parties likes Framework and Proton.

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