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I would imagine that is lot more likely that is just only the official story rather than what actually happens behind the scenes in these situations.

In the background there could be deals with the countries protecting them or with the target directly or a existing deal they had is off now. It may even be unrelated, wasn't worth expending the diplomatic capital before, but they are a connection to someone else more important and so on.

It could also be the targets were captured in a illegal way, no country wants to be diplomatically humiliated and the prosecuting one wouldn't want to disclose their covert ops capabilities.

Announced News is more often only a Press Release, we shouldn't be taking them literally.

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Relatedly about another member of the same group:

> Penchukov’s political connections helped him evade prosecution by Ukrainian cybercrime investigators for many years. The late son of former Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych (Victor Yanukovych Jr.) would serve as godfather to Tank’s daughter Miloslava... Sources briefed on the investigation into Penchukov said that in 2010 — at a time when the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) was preparing to serve search warrants on Tank and his crew — Tank received a tip that the SBU was coming to raid his home.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/11/top-zeus-botnet-suspect-...

if you read the article it links to an Italian supreme court summary that apparently states he has lost his appeal to not get extradited, so after that it shouldn't have been a surprise that... he was extradited.

Lost his final appeal would fall under deal with the resident country category I imagine

My observation was in response to GP wondering why do they such criminals caught frequently, not specifically about this case.

>captured in a illegal way

Tracked down in an illegal way? Sure, quite possibly. But he's going to get a trial. If he were kidnapped out of Italy by the CIA or something, it seems like it would be hard to keep that from coming out.

Why should the CIA need to kidnap someone from Italy if they can just provide info about the person to the Italian govt so he gets arrested and extradited?

Well about that ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case

This is well know case of a "person of interest" kidnapped by the CIA in Milano, Italy. While the CIA was assisted by the Italian Intelligence, it was a completely illegal operation, without any due process or judiciary oversight.

Because Italy has a history of siding with terrorists and letting them go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achille_Lauro_hijacking#Jurisd...

"Following a deal made with Yasser Arafat with Giulio Andreotti[25] even before the Craxi government had made its final decision, Abbas and Badrakkan, wearing unidentified uniforms, had been put back on the EgyptAir 737 airliner."

If the CIA is involved it wouldn't be any regular criminal, but e.g. an international spy, someone who may even be protected by Italy for ??? reasons.

Sure but "not a regular criminal" is a much broader group than you make it out to be.

Remember the CIA was also the primary actor involved in the US's overseas bombing attacks, especially outside active war zones. Sure, a lot of the bombings targeted "terrorists" but that designation is ultimately arbitrary - especially if we're talking about people being killed in bombings of civilian areas that usually came with a lot of collateral damage (especially if you don't use the assumption that anyone who may have been a teenage or adult male is an enemy combatant), a practice that we would identify as "terrorism" if carried out by any hostile regime.

He doesn't seem to have big enough of a target on his back to justify outright exploding him but that doesn't mean he's considered a "regular criminal" or that the CIA wasn't involved.

That said, Occam's razor suggests it didn't require CIA involvement to catch him - he may just have been careless and unlucky.

I wasn't talking about this specific case.

It was about general statement by the parent on how these criminals can be so be dumb, i was enumerating some of the different ways it can happen behind the scenes and still be annouced as a simple arrest at the airport etc.

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