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Comment by georgeburdell | Hacker News Reader

The new head is Chinese. There was a screenshot on Blind of his org at Apple and it was well over a hundred nearly exclusively Chinese reports

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Where are all these genius American AI scientists that they should hire instead? Pull up a list of the top 1000 most cited AI research papers published in the last decade and look at the authors. You'll find them full of names from China, India, Russia, Eastern Europe, Israel. They are the ones getting jobs. This isn't discrimination, just reality.

Ok, sounds like you expect Zhao’s org to have names from India, Russia, Eastern Europe, and Israel then? Where are you disagreeing with me?

Who says it doesn't?

I heard the same about Satya. Not only does he exclusively hire Indians, but specific Indians too

Just say the quiet part out loud: caste-based discrimination.

Indians hire their relatives and pals, that’s nothing to be surprised of.

I'm Indian -- I think a lot of this comes from the fact that the Brits left such a horrible legal system behind that it's hard to trust it to resolve disputes well. So people default to family/community trust relations.

I've been lucky to work in high-quality teams where nepotism hasn't been a concern, but I do understand where it's coming from (bad as it is).

...is there a nationality or ethnicity that doesn't?

Uhh yes?

Honestly I find this kind of thinking too narrow. It’s not a Satya problem, nor a Shengjia problem, it’s a systemic problem where people from most regions of the world overtly practice illegal workplace discrimination in the U.S., and the American government at all levels is not equipped to prosecute the malfeasance. Not 1 day ago I completed a systemic bias training module mandated by the State of California to keep current with a professional certification. All of the examples were coded as straight white males doing something bad to another group (“acting cold to people of color”, “preferring not to work with non-native English speakers”, “not promoting women with young children”)

Did this screenshot also list everyone's citizenship?

Ethnically he is Chinese, but he was born here.

Shengjia Zhao was not born here.

Wherever "here" may be. I assume planet Earth for now. Likely North America. But here are are many people from all over the world ...

Here, on Hacker News.

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