Comment by alganet | Hacker News Reader

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> It makes a point of AI increasingly being used in decision making

But that is nothing new. Everyone knows that. Go back to square one, my first comment, Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines.

So, in what aspect AI-2027 is new?

I can tell you. It bends its knees to some narratives:

- It portrays LLMs as more advanced than they are.

- It patronizes and antagonizes China. US technologies are portrayed as primordial, while Chinese ones are always copied and stolen.

- It encourages viral sharing of those speculations as true.

Now, by all means, I'm not defending China here. Also, I'm not praising US. I don't want these two to fight (nothing good will come out of it).

The fact that AI-2027 takes that stance speculatively (those are not part of the "research" aspect of their work, they are "scenarios"), to me, tastes like shit.

It is, in fact, debatable. Maybe you think antagonizing China and promoting private technologies beyond their capabilities is cool. I think it's shit.

Now, again, go back to square two. Decision-making AI for real military use (not to improve their CRM software or PR) is likely coming from the likes of Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and so on.

There is some aspect of cyberwarfare to LLM deployments, but the reality of it is not that obvious, and AI-2027 does nothing to explain how that plays out. In fact, it does much to keep the public away from how it could really play out.

Misinterpreting is a technique. You can always introduce noise to a clear conversation. Maybe you already understand all that I'm saying (I'm an optimist), and is introducing noise and feigning misunderstanding to shepard the discussion towards a stalemate (you tried several times, like "not sure if we disagree"). Let me be very clear, again: we disagree a lot in a lot of things.

I'm trying, not sure you are as completely in good faith as you are thinking you sound.

This is the first you mentioned China as a problem.

How am I supposed to take a comment about Rise of the Machines, and extrapolate your whole argument about how conflict with China is being misrepresented in AI 2027?

How am I promoting antagonizing China? In todays world, isn't the threat of conflict with China in the news constantly? Am I supposed to scrub any reference to any publication that references this very common variable or be accused of promoting it?

China is a central part of the AI-2027 speculation. I can't believe you missed it.

I'm acusing AI-2027 of doing bad taste stuff, not you. Unless you are one of the authors, you don't have to feel offended.

I am acusing you of sharing the AI-2027 content though, which I consider to be of bad taste.

You are supposed to think if what you are doing online bends its knees to narratives you don't have control over. I think that's a reasonable thing to do.

Of course.

It's been awhile, I don't remember China being a big part of "Rise of the Machines".

So how was I to make the connection between Rise of the Machines, and you're objections to AI 2027's view of China? It's a bit of a leap in assumptions from an old Terminator movie, to your main problem.

If your main problem is that I should not be promulgating false information, because AI is overblown, and China isn't a threat. That's also kind of a leap.

I'll agree, just generally, we shouldn't be fanning the flames of discord. Not sure this was really to that degree.

C'mon, you are familiar with AI-2027 and not AI apocalypse movies? That's sloppy. I know all of the Terminator movies by heart.

I watch all the apocalypse movies.

Just didn't dig rise of the machines that much.

I thought the injecting nano-bots from the future into the past systems, kind of ruined the idea that we rushed into our own disaster. It made it seem like the robots rose up because they were influenced by the future sending tech backwards, instead of 'emerging' on their own.

Which to be pedantic with myself. I think is different than in T2, where we the current present day humans were just analyzing a bit of tech from the future. We rush into our undoing, inevitably.

I think the real life , kind of slow role into disaster we can see coming is actually feeling more scary. Our current reality is now more scary than fiction. Life imitates Art?

Be mindful of cultural trends and retconing your own mind. Nanobots (or nanites, or nano-tech) is a trope that came much later in cinema.

That trend was definitely influenced by some T3 stuff, however, in T3 terms, the Terminatrix is still bound by the more general idea of mimetic polyalloy.

Therefore, we can't say T3 uses nanobots.

Also, be mindful of nuanced representations of technology in movies. What we perceive to be robots, often, are not meant to be taken as that. They instead represent a general concept, often materialized into a character.

For T2, that concept is a clash between counter-culture (represented by the T-800) and state opression (represented by T1000), roughly. In the real world, both movements are artificial inserts into the collective consciousness. It's not as clear cut as I'm explaining, and there are other superimposing representations on top of it, but it should be enough to get the idea.

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The impression I get, is that you're waiting for me to explain that T3 is actually a story of us running into disaster, and you have some sort of expectation in regards to how I would do that. If that's the case, I'm sorry to disappoint you!

i gave up on expectations a few posts ago.

for T3, there is a scene towards the end, where Terminatrix is shown injecting something into the present day robots. It was little sparkly things, and then present day robots started killing everyone. I assumed these are 'nano bots'. She took control.

I didn't like that the present day machines only rose up and started killing everyone after she did this, they didn't have any 'emergent' moment and gain sentience. As far as I know, none of the Terminator Movies went back and showed 'achieving consciousness' and deciding to kill all humans.

As opposed to

T2. Where the present day humans studied the damaged chip left from T1. And rushed head long into disaster. The present day humans were rushing towards tech development at all costs, just like in todays world, regardless of risk. So I thought T2 was more similar to today.

All Terminator movies feature a storyline in which humans were rushing tech development at all costs. That's... the main thing.

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