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Verizon owns most of the value brands in the US and you made no connection between them and Comcast beyond mentioning them in the same sentence.

AT&T is "about as bad" as what? You gave no information.

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Price, customer service

Based on the type of responses you are giving, I actually do believe you probably call your phone company's customer service regularly. So perhaps your criteria might be different. Have you heard of Consumer Cellular?

Consumer cellular rate plans are the same price as T-Mobile and they don’t have international roaming included.

That joke jitterbugged right past you.

You would be surprised how many people on HN will defend crappy products and servjce because of ideals - see Framework laptops, PinePhones etc.

Yeah, those products people are passionate about and really like are total junk. We should mock them while not explaining any of our reasoning, thank you for showing the way.

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