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Be careful with Datastar. If the paid "PRO" features are not enough to warn you let me just say that I had a very unfortunate encounter with the author. I asked about how to do something like wire:navigate in Livewire and he told me that's not necessary and I don't understand Datastar and I should go fuck off. He was very ad hominem and aggressive. Won't use his product ever.

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Excuse me but based on your post history I have to imagine it came out of nowhere

You are wrong. A few months ago before the Pro announcement I was exploring HTMX, Unpoly and Datastar was the new thing. It looked cool - especially the demo of a game like thingy. But the page was kind of unresponsive still. This is a common pattern among even Liveview pages where the server roundtrip is still a thing unlike in a typical SPA despite it beings using SSE it's still not local React/Svelte/Vue app experience. That's why you will end up moving more and more parts to Alpine from Livewire/Liveview .... anyway.... I asked the guys on the Discord channel for Datastar how would I do the spa like page navigation between pages. And he got irritated - probably because this wasn't the first time somebody asked that - and told me that I don't get Datastar that that is wrong, Datastar don't care about that. But it was in a such weird aggressive way , he was mociking me, my intelligence and used very childish ad hominem attacks. I then left. And ok, he doesn't like the spa navigation or datastar doesn't care with that at all, but the way he addressed via an attack on me was super negative. You don't call people idiots because they would like from Datastar a functionality that is common in HTMX, Unpoly, Liveview or Livewire. Perhaps they have something like that - or in the PRO version, but I don't care. If you want realtime go with Phoenix Liveview instead - their community is much more friendly and mature.

Echo this. Like the tech, but the community is toxic, led by the lead dev from the front. Don't see a future.

https://youtu.be/y79L3fhJI3o?t=8054 if you want to understand my feeling or approach.

“Someone that always accepts you also enables you to make bad choices.” That’s a good point!

We don't shy away from telling you your ideas are terrible. Being mature is caring about your code and your users. You were VERY clearly making bad technically reasons and we pushed back. We aggressively care about the details and if you don't then please go use Liveview. We aren't trying to win popularity contests. Show code and prove your point or continue to clutch your pearls

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