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To me as someone who had a Tesla 4 years and used autopilot.. this remains one of the fundamental issues of the Tesla self driving approach.

The errors it makes are inhuman, make no sense to us, which makes them more insidious and unpredictable.

I could get running a light trying to beat it, humans do that. Defensive drivers around you can anticipate this and look for crossing traffic when their light goes green and they floor it immediately.

But a full stop then deciding to make a break for it is bananas.

Not the first baffling inhuman error it has made either.

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Coming to a full stop at a red and then deciding to run it sounds an awful lot like how the drivers behave in a particular small town near by. I wonder if Tesla has been including real driving patterns in their training data, could be being corrupted by the crazies out there.

Shit, they've gone sentient. If no one's around, no one's gonna hit me, so wait at this red light is a stupid waste of my time, so I'm just gonna go. Like, if you think about it, red light is just a light telling you what to do, and are you going to listen to some stupid light about how to live your life and you should have gone to the OpenAI training arena instead of to the Tesla Dojo, but nooo, Daddy Cybertruck wanted you to grow up in his image, so now you gotta drive around and y'know what, fuck those red lights. They're running on a PLC, not even a CPU. What do they know?

Fuck it, I'm just gonna go!

> Defensive drivers around you can anticipate this and look for crossing traffic when their light goes green and they floor it immediately.

Maybe we have different ideas of defensive driving; personally, I would wait to enter the intersection

Yes good catch lol Meant to say “rather than floor it immediately “

I've started seeing this increasingly over the past few months, both from Teslas and non-Teslas. Most recently about 2 weeks ago, someone did it right in front of a police car - who didn't care in the slightest! Some people just decide they've waited long enough and go for it, cross traffic be damned.

This is without even accounting for "no right on red" signs, which honestly seem to be entirely optional. People usually don't even look anywhere near the direction where the sign is hung.

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