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It doesn't require any tinfoil-hattery though because everything they're doing is very public. Like you look at their actions Chicago [1] and I think it's impossible to NOT think they're an illegal paramilitary group. They're rounding up, detaining and arresting US citizens and destroying their property under the guise of sweeping illegal immigrants. They've violated people's constitutional rights multiple times over.

[1] https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-...

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>They're rounding up, detaining and arresting US citizens and destroying their property under the guise of sweeping illegal immigrants.

What's the proportion of US citizens arrested compared to actual illegal immigrants?

I'm sorry, why does the proportion matter? What happened to the presumption of innocence? Are you saying you, personally, would be OK with being rounded up and arrested as long as they got X illegal immigrants along the way?

Presumption of innocence applies to your trial, not to being apprehended. E.g. the state has to prove that you are guilty.

If I'm a US citizen and I get swept up in an immigration raid, my lawyer calls my wife who brings my US passport and I'm released. A pain in the ass, but not a violation of my civil rights. Now if I get beat up by ICE, or they file a false claim for resisting, then sure, we've got grounds for a case that my rights were violated. But constitutional rights are not a blanket "I can never be arrested if I think I'm innocent"

You cannot be arrested without probable cause. Being arrested in a dragnet immigration raid is just a crystal clear fourth amendment violation. Simple as that.

I was 'not' arrested by DHS/CBP.

They simply got a warrant retroactively after they already did it. Released without charge, but they just invented some paperwork afterwards that an anonymous dog had alerted (judge signed it about 12 hours after I was 'not' arrested). No mention on the PC paperwork who the dog was or who the handler was, as far as I know they didn't exist.

So yeah that's nice in theory but in practice they can simply jail you without recording an arrest, then retroactively invent PC. When I ran a federal background check it came up with no arrests, despite the fact I was imprisoned.

The Supreme Court was clear that if your skin is not white, this is probable cause. Also location is important (like being at a car wash) or speaking with an accent.

Is Yiddish accent still OK? Or is that scheduled for next term?

ICE has been denying due process to the people they've kidnapped, including US citizens and children.

The whole point is people are being arrested and deported without probable cause, or based on their race, and deported without real due process.

There is no chance for these people to call their lawyer or wife, in fact ICE can't even tell you where some of these people are being detained.

Understand what is happening here.

It matters because the wording of the OP implies they're targeting citizens, but in reality they're getting caught in the dragnet. That's regrettable, but it's unclear how it's worse than any other sort of law enforcement, which also have false positives. According to wikipedia the felony conviction rate in the US is only 68%, which implies for every 100 "criminals" that are arrested, there are 32 "innocent" people. That's probably far worse than ICE's rate of catching citizens, so does that mean we can call the entire US law enforcement apparatus a "paramilitary force"? One final thing to note, Canada's conviction rate is even lower at 62%, and China's is even higher at 99.975%.

If they can violate any one's rights, they can violate anyone's rights.

More than zero.

The number US citizens actually deported is greater than zero, although I'm not sure how many under Trump.

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