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> A big factor in the quick return (and maybe one reason for its popularity) is that Germany has some of the most expensive electricity in the world.

Part of that is because our method of pricing is different than it is in the rest of the world.

It doesn't matter if you got a 3x50A or 3x200A three phase service, only during construction (because a 3x200A uplink will obviously be a decent bit pricier), the monthly fee is the same and very low (I think ~15€ a month). All other costs are rolled into the per-kWh price, making it appear much more expensive than in other countries. On top of that we have a ridiculous tax load because large industry is exempt from a lot of things and consumers gotta pick up the slack.

In contrast, Italians for example pay fees based on capacity which means a home there will usually have 3x10A uplink, something greatly troubling EV adoption and moving off of natural gas [1].

Additionally, Germany is one pricing zone whereas ENTSO-E, the European Commission and the Northern German population would rather like to have two or three pricing zones, given that there is a serious lack of North->South transmission capacity, but our "beloved" Bavarian prime minister Söder plus his green counterpart in BaWü Kretschmann both try to prevent that as much as possible because it would send prices in the south skyrocketing [2].

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1ksqrq1/t...

[2] https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/energiepoli...

Yep in a lot of ways it's a failure of the electricity market.

It's absolutely bonkers how much I pay for electricity while I sit in the shadow of a giant onshore wind farm in Brandenburg. Transmission losses are nothing at this distance and the turbines cover the towns needs many times over.

But because of the lack of regional and dynamic pricing (and tax burden) we pay ridiculous rates.

I think if folks could financially benefit from renewable projects in their neighborhoods, suddenly citizens opposition would fall apart.

Maybe balcony solar is just a tax minimization play, in that the energy you get from panels isn't burdened by excessive network charges, consumer taxes etc.

> I think if folks could financially benefit from renewable projects in their neighborhoods, suddenly citizens opposition would fall apart.

That's actually happening already in some places - in Thüringen, nearby residents of a windmill get a share of the income [1], and the local municipality also gets a sizable amount... in small Mühlenfließ (Brandenburg) with less than 1000 souls living there, the 16 windmills provide 200.000€ a year in taxes, 10% of the municipal budget [2].

Unfortunately, you need politicians with a backbone to present such plans to their voters, and in rural areas many simply are afraid of far-right terrorism up to and including death threats [3], on top of "alternative" media and even supposedly democratic politicians riling people up against renewable power sources.

[1] https://www.gruene-thl.de/klima-energie/buergerinnen-und-kom...

[2] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/windkraft-g...

[3] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/region-muenchen-windrae...

More and more "Energiegenossenschaften" are also founded, I think. At least here in the South-West near Freiburg it feels like every second larger village or community has its own Energiegenossenschaft. They are working on getting solar on every roof, pushing water and wind turbine projects forward and are really working on making the switch to renewables happen. I'm looking to get into some of them to fund the cause. :-)

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