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As will all LLMs eventually if they're not already? One more service online to assiduously avoid. Or maybe just game? Get in an unprotected web browser and complain to the LLM how you just never have any money and can't make ends meet, and get better pricing? Might be too much effort vs. simply not buying stuff in the first place.

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More likely you'll start getting ads trying to con you into taking payday loans or investing to crypto or Ponzi schemes or whatever.

> As will all LLMs eventually

Proton has made an AI chatbot with an extreme focus on privacy: https://lumo.proton.me

Proton had a sale and I wanted to try their services out, but they would not let me register while on Mullvad's VPN. Their support said to not use a VPN when registering.

I personally do not trust Proton.

This seems like a bit of a silly reason to not trust a company. There's a small mountain of companies that won't let you register if you're behind a VPN, or using a less-common e-mail provider (ie: protonmail).

It's annoying but it's a bog standard technique for avoiding spam or fraud.

> This seems like a bit of a silly reason to not trust a company.

A self-professed privacy-focused company that won't let privacy-conscious customers sign up does look a little sus.

Is there perhaps some type of KYC law where they operate? Either way I would think it would be best to explain right there on the page, why they can't do it.

I think if they told their customers they had to do KYC, they would lose a lot of customers.

I can buy expensive things to have delivered to a vacant house and run off in the night if I used a stolen credit card on a VPN, but a cheap digital service that can be cut off at anytime if there's fraud, can't handle a VPN.

AFAIK you can register on a VPN, or even Tor, if you sign up with a paid plan, but you cannot sign up a free account without revealing your identity in some way.

They do accept Bitcoin payment, but not Monero. I wonder if that's because Monero is illegal for them, or just because they didn't bother to.

> you cannot sign up a free account without revealing your identity in some way.

AFAIK it's perfectly possible to sign up for a free Proton account without revealing your identity.

I was trying to pay for a plan (via credit card). They had a sale going on and I figured I would give them a try.

Easier to track people via Bitcoin than Monero?

There's a reason the EU made it illegal for businesses to deal in Monero.

The AMLR is not set to take effect until July 1, 2027, assuming the regulation doesn't change before then.

Correct.

Ads will just be payday loans, job boards, etc.

"Re-structure your debt!" "Buy now pay later!"

I still have faith that Apple won’t do this with Apple Intelligence

The App Store is full of paid search result placements etc. Search for app x and first result is competitor y etc. It's a slippery slope.

> It's a slippery slope.

it's really not. each individual step down that staircase is considered and intentional.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.

Slippery slope arguments are not always logical fallacies.

Just dismissing any argument about a slippery slope as a fallacy is lazy (as is quoting logical fallacies in any argument)

> Slippery slope arguments are not always logical fallacies.

show me a slippery slope that is not a series of deliberate decisions, then.

i've never seen one. every single step down that slope required someone who wanted to go further down the slope and took the action(s) required to go further.

there is no involuntary sliding down slopes here.

I think you left off the "/s"

Yes, they will consider and intentionally take steps to make more money.

no /s. it is literally a logical fallacy.

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