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"There isn't any substantive reason why there ought to be a government shutdown. This is something that has been done routinely, as I said, 13 different times when the Democrats had the majority. But we are not going to be held hostage for over $1 trillion in new spending on a continuing resolution," Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., said ahead of the vote.

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Is that "new spending" actually spending that was just cut by the Republican majority in the BBB?

From what I understand the majority of the desired spending is on welfare for illegal immigrants. If true, then it's reasonable to push back against it I think.

The Democrats are pushing to continue more generous federal subsidies to help Americans afford Obamacare policies and to reverse deep cuts to Medicaid contained in Trump’s sweeping domestic policy agenda package. But neither of those changes would provide health coverage to undocumented immigrants, since they aren’t eligible for either program.[1]

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/30/politics/fact-check-trump-fre...

This literally just does not exist. There's no middle ground here or anything - this is just made up.

We don't spend federal dollars like Medicaid or Medicare on illegal immigrants. We literally just don't.

If you think we do, remember: we don't. That doesn't happen. You are misremembering. That has never happened.

If someone tells you that is happening, remember: they are wrong. They are lying. They don't understand what they are saying.

That is certainly what JD Vance is claiming. He knows it's not true, but he keeps saying it because he also knows he can lie to his supporters and they either won't care, or won't actually try to find out the truth.

Same with his lie that there are liberal groups funding people like the Utah shooter. It's complete bullshit and he knows it.

He is one of the most sleazy people in politics right now, and that's saying something.

So, we now have an assertion from you, and an assertion from the GP, and neither of you has supplied any evidence for your claims. Would one of you do so?

Here is one example from CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/30/politics/fact-check-trump-fre...

It's really not hard to find this information. All the major news sites are covering it.

Thanks.

But about your last paragraph: A post is written once, but read many times. If you make your readers look for the information, then N people have to do searches. If you search, it only has to happen once. So it's much more efficient for the post author to do so.

And if you don't when you're contradicting someone else, and neither of you supplies evidence, then it looks like "he said, she said". If the evidence is on your side, show it.

The information is everywhere. Anybody who can't find it doesn't really care.

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