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> as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and years into producing art vs the one I can get a lot of today

a quantity over quality argument with regard to art is wild.

people just start liking things if there is a lot of it

> as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and years into producing art vs the one I can get a lot of today and now especially when there is virtually no difference in quality

as a fellow consumer I care a lot actually

> I really think we are headed towards and over supply of content where there will be more stuff to read, watch, listen with very real value in all of them.

We're already here with human created content.

Yes, but not uniformly so - some niches are very popular, but there's plenty of obscure ones where if you're a fan you literally know everyone making music in some very niche genre because there are so few of them.

I've had some fun with Suno 5, but the songs absolutely don't replace well-made human music. They're much more formulaic and over-produced. They're usually forgettable. People I play them for can always tell they're AI produced.

True music enthusiasts will holdout for a while but I think AI music will easily replace most Pop currently on the radio and streaming for your average Joe. That stuff has been "fake" as early as the mid 2000's by being quantized straight to the grid, pitched, with programmed drums, guitar, even vocals and then churned out like widgets on a conveyor belt.

Currently for me, in the type of music I have enjoyed from v4.5+. V5 of their model is a regression.

I was very impressed with v4.5+ that I could get quite good songs evocative of Devo, Yeah Yeah Yeah's, Metric, etc.

Version 5 is currently harder (or I haven't figured out a way) to generate this kind of chopped/produced sound. It doesn't follow complex style definitions and tends to generate songs that are too slow and "smoothed" over.

V5 could be built different, and it will take a few revisions until they match v4 “creativity” for lack of a better word. What v5 brings is quality in the recording. Less AI shimmering in the background. But yes, I agree the songs are more… flat.

I find it depends how you generate it. Asking Suno to make covers of uploaded recordings tends to give much, much better results than asking it to cook a song from scratch. There are still quite a few tells that it's AI-made but it's not bad at all, at least in my experience so far.

> as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and years into producing art

> my favorite genre is new jack swing

My friend, where do you think your favorite genre that AI is now parroting comes from…

What a dystopian and depressing outlook on the valuation and enjoyment of art. Truly hope you're an anomaly.

I simultaneously feel repulsed by AI music and "art" and yet am totally open to being captivated by AI music if I really feel something is musically better than almost any human-made music I've heard.

I just haven't heard anything that isn't "slopful" yet. If I do, I will still feel weird about it, but I'm a big believer in the value of "aesthetic objects in themselves", so I am eager to find something I do actually like.

Even just knowing something was drawn or composed by an AI will negatively taint my opinion from the start, but I'm still open.

I do love generative music. I don't care if you get your notes from a markov chain a shif register a LLM or your brain.

The problem with AI music is that is just sounds like shit.

Right. That's pretty much my stance.

I don't totally discount the position that the human "soul" is what makes art art and all that, but I still do think something can be very enjoyable and good without being created by a sentient entity, in theory.

Even AI generated dubstep?

https://suno.com/s/gJhedd4hmIsHbccc

https://suno.com/s/qfFWu3kyQ2cXW8mT

I hang out with dubstep and DnB guys on a UK forum. If they're looking to rave out they'll make something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq0Pg7fnkAg

You'll notice many similarities in instrumentation, but how is Suno not like a bad RealAudio take on some of these noises haphazardly lumped together?

Or, same artist, different track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhvpCHfe0m0

Don't you need more focus and aggression to make even sell-out weak tea dubstep? I feel the generative process really severely fails to deliver anywhere near the correct sound, even for 'bad artificial lol dubstep' sounds.

Another even closer to the intent of the Suno one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3q_kmpq-9Y

Oh wow that sounds so bad, even worse than I imagined.

Yes

Couldn't agree more. Instead of seeking out people making that art, we are now leaving "art" or human expressive emotion to random noise and paying for it.