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Israel is occupying a piece of land it violently seized by force and ethnic cleansing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba . The people of Palestine have a right to self defense just like anyone else; exercising that right doesn't make them terrorists.

The notion that Israel was created by force is just not true. Jews were always a part of historical Palestine, and most of the land they inhabited was legally bought, by bodies like the JNF, up until the war of 1948. That war, started by the Arabs, came as a result of the League of Nations declaration of the formation of Israel. It's important to stress that there was never a Palestinian country, nor a cohesive Palestinian nation ahead of the formation of Israel. That historical land was controlled by various empires, and people used to come and go through it quite freely.

Tell that to the Palestinians families whose homes they owned for generations were stolen by Israel and their children are now murdered in the most horrible ways.

I'll tell them that opening the war on Israel and the Jews on 1948 was the wrong move and they unfortunately paid a hefty price. It was a choice, done at a community level: many Arabs chose to accept Israel and not attack it in 1948 and are now Israeli-Arabs (about 23% of the population). Nothing was stolen from them and they are amongst the most prosperous Arabs in the Middle East.

This is ahistorical propaganda. Nakba was the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians in favor of invading Europeans. Israel was fully created through terrorism and war crimes, which continue at scale to this day.

No, that's false. "Nakba" refers to the exodus of the Palestinians during 1948. It says exactly that in the Wiki. The exodus came as a result of war, first between the local Arabs and the Jews, and more prominently when Arab armies joined the war against Israel after it was declared a state.

Israel was given statehood by a decision of the League of Nations, the body preceding the UN.

Very easy to verify that what you're saying is false:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Verify that what exactly is false? It literally says that: "The term is used to describe the events of the 1948 Palestine war in Mandatory Palestine as well as Israel's ongoing persecution and displacement of Palestinians"

Literally the first sentence:

> The Nakba (Arabic: النَّكْبَة, romanized: an-Nakba, lit. 'the catastrophe') is the Israeli ethnic cleansing[14] of Palestinian Arabs through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations.

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