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sitting here in the US, reading that China is strongly urging the adoption of Linux and pushing for open CPU architectures like RISC-V and also self-hosted open models

are we the baddies??

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If there is a walled garden, and you aren't in it, you'll probably push for the walls to come down. No moral basis needed.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "moral basis" in your comment?

It is in their selfish interest to push for open weights.

That's not to say they are being selfish, or to judge in any way the morality of their actions. But because of that incentive, you can't logically infer moral agency in their decision to release open-weights, IP-free CPUs, etc.

By selfish interests you mean the public good?

Leaving China aside, it's arguably immoral that our leading AI models are closed and concentrated in the hands of billionaires with questionable ethical histories (at best).

I mean China's push for open weights/source/architecture probably has more to do with them wanting legal access to markets than it does with those things being morally superior.

Of course, but that translates in a benefit for most people, even for Americans. In my case (European), I cannot but support the Chinese companies in this respect, as we would be especially in trouble if the common models are the norm.

If by being selfish they end up doing morally superior thing, then, I much prefer to go with the Chinese.

Even more so now that Trump is in command.

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Depends on whether you want to be in it. A ladder might be enough to peek over the top and rip it off. Do it better. Which seems to be what is happening.

That only works for China's domestic market. As long as the IP they are "taking inspiration from" is protected in the target markets, they effectively lock themselves out by doing that.

In the case of technology like RISC, pretty much all the value add is unprotected, so they can sell those products in the US/EU without issue.

there have been countless times where the us has been the baddy and you guys are blink to it all.

open your eyes.

Winner takes all monopoly big tech capitalism is bad. Literally textbook bad.

I know right!

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